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This is a discussion on Hello all. within the New Members Introduce Yourself forums, part of the DefensiveCarry.com Forum Office category; would it be reasonable to say, for arguements sake, since nethier of us has exp. with the 2000, that I could purchase the .40 and ...

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    would it be reasonable to say, for arguements sake, since nethier of us has exp. with the 2000, that I could purchase the .40 and convert to the the 9mm. Is this a common option with sigs, glocks and the like. If so, I could essential get two guns for the price of one and that would make my wife very happy.
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    if so this would give me the option to start smaller and move up as I get better. I like the idea of the larger caliber for defensive purposes. Or am I out in left field?
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    shotgun,

    most pistols that shoot a .40S&W will also allow you to shoot a .357sig. For instance, my USPc in .40 only needs a barrel change, it can even use the same mags as the .40. The reason this is possible is because the cartridge cases are exactly the same for the .357SIG and the .40S&W.

    This isn't true with the 9mm and other cals. Now you're getting into different case sizes, recoils, etc, so more parts have to be changed. Theoretically it's possible, but it's not something I'd want to do as a new shooter, and without an experience armorer right there to watch me do it and check my work.

    The guy who taught me how to shoot always recommended that even if you buy a centerfire pistol to start (something good for CCW, 9mm and up), that you buy a .22LR pistol to go with. You can use the same techniques on the .22LR to practice shooting, at far less cost, and removing the flinch from the equation.

    I understand wanting the P2000SK for CCW, except I was wondering if something along the lines of a USPc or P2000 would work just as well. Most reviews that I've read show that the issues in concealing a firearm come more from the width of the pistol then the length. Many people on this site carry a full size 1911 as their daily carry. Adding barrel length gets you a bunch of advantages, including a longer site length, a faster velocity from the bullet, and a more accurate gun.

    Anyway, my suggestion to you, buy a pistol that is slightly less money, I know a USPc was about $100 less for me then a P2000 would have been, and also pick up a decent .22LR. I got a Ruger 22/45 w/ a 5.5" barrel. You can see both my pistols at this thread.

    Hope all this helps dude. I definately don't know it all, but I do try.

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    Welcome to the forum, Shotgun Willie. Glad you joined us.
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    This is why I joined this forum. Humble, level-headed guys. Some others are good but you get attacked if you ask too many questions, or dont know what you are doing.

    Thanks for that info. I was under the impression that the change .40 to 9mm could be made, but it doesn't sound reasonable. P95 tried to tell me that earlier in the thread, but I guess I was slow on the uptake.

    I am not set on the 2000sk. I just like the look and haven't heard anything bad yet. It is going to be easier for me to get my wife to say yes to one expensive higher end gun than several less expensive. Hard to get the USPc in 9mm and tell after a while that I want it in .45 or .40 sw.

    I really like the look of HK but it seems Sig and Glock have a large following for a reason. I also looked at a Para for a ccw, but frankly I dont know what I am doing. I'm a little lost and I dont know anyone with an assortment to try out.

    How small is small enough, how big is big enough? Never had to worry much about that with rifles and shotguns. I do recall firing a glock 9mm 10+ years ago and hated it. Guess that is why I shy away from glock. Not really a good benchmark to base my decision on. I am really quite open to suggestions on make and model. I'm not shopping yet. Still researching.

    I think I will follow the advise and start with a .22 for pratice and training. Still unsure what to get for my ccw though.
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    I believe the H&K and the Sig are known as being a bit more expensive but worth it by professionals. Their quality fit, finish and reliability, IMHO, speak for themselves. While the Glock is also a reliable gun, I don't think it comes close to Sig and H&K in quality. I sold my Sig P226 .40 when I decided to buy my Nighthawk 1911, but I used to marvel at the precision fit annd the absolute flawless fit and finish. A barrel change in the Sig P226 is all thats needed to go from .40 to 357 Sig, as Chris said.

    I have had two different .40 (the P226 and an XD-40) and found them to have no real difference in recoil from a 9mm, although some people feel they have much more recoil. I'm not sure how to explain that. I would suggest you find a gunshop/range in your area that rents guns and shoot them side by side if can't find a friend that may have both. Personally, I would much prefer a .40 over 9mm. I have no exposure to the 357 Sig so couldn't recommend that one way or the other. A high quality gun in any of the more popular carry calibers will probably serve you very well for your carry needs as long as you do your part and practice with it, and I think you will. You're asking the right questions....
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    Definitely Shotgun - you just have to try and sample some platforms - it is ever easy for us the enthuse on our favorites and make other suggestions but ultimately - you will gain most probably thru testing, handling etc.

    Maybe then - once you have some potential shopping list guns - come back with your thoughts and we'll all chew it over.
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    Will do. Thanks guys.
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    Hi Willie
    Welcome ot the Fourm. BEST place on the Net as far as I'm concerned, and the Forumites are right on the money with what they say. Hop in there and start posting.

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    Welcome, I got into this forum about like you did. Got some good advice and took it. Very satisfied that I did.

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    Yeah, now I'm hooked. Wife is starting to get annoyed with the time spent on here. Thats ok though, this is for educational purposes only right? Naah. I'm having fun too.
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    Well, I just order a P2000SK 9mm v.3 (the SA/DA version with an external hammer and decock button, if I've got it right).

    My experience with handguns is limited: old military .45 for several years (frequent carry in hostile civilian environment) and my own S&W model 10 K frame .38special with short HD barrel - six shot cylinder. I have a knack for hitting the bullseye better than most, though I believe I take to long to get off each round. Gotta work on keeping the first and improving the second.

    So who am I to know whether the P2000SK will compare favorably with all else. I just got it 'cause it's supposed to be the BEST! And dry firing the display case copy sold me on the LEM trigger action.

    So I'll be around a put on a post with my thoughts if I have any significant ones after some experience with the weapon.

    Y'all be good.

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