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    Judge's advice to citizens: Pack heat | cincinnati.com | Cincinnati.Com


    CLEVELAND - One judge's solution for citizens feeling less secure because of budget cuts in an Ohio county: Carry a gun.

    Judge Alfred Mackey of Ashtabula County Common Pleas Court advised residents Friday to be vigilant and arm themselves because the number of deputies has been cut about in half because of a tight budget. He also urged neighbors to organize anti-crime block watch groups.

    "They have to be law-abiding, and if they are not familiar with firearms they need to take a safety course so they are not a threat to their family and friends and themselves," Mackey said Friday.

    Mackey, whose comments were first broadcast Thursday by WKYC-TV in Cleveland, was expressing concerns with budget cuts that have trimmed the sheriff's department from 112 to 49 deputies in the county, which is Ohio's largest by land area.

    Asked by WKYC how people should respond to the cuts and limited patrols, he said, "Arm themselves. Be very careful and just be vigilant because we're going to have to look after each other."

    Andrew Pollis, who teaches law at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, saw the original TV clip of Mackey and said it was clear the judge wasn't advocating vigilantism.

    Still, Pollis said, snippets of the comments could be misunderstood "as a license, if you will, to engage in conduct which we as a society collectively would not want."

    In Akron, Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove, president-elect of the Ohio Common Pleas Judges Association, said she was surprised by Mackey's suggestion.

    "That's scary to me," she said. "I don't know what the situation in Ashtabula County is. I personally would never that's a personal choice in terms of carrying a weapon."

    With deputies assigned to transport prisoners and serve warrants, only one radio car is assigned to patrol the county of 720 square miles, excluding municipalities with police departments. The sheriff's patrol area covers most of the county, the judge said Friday.

    Mackey said the response to his comments has been positive in the mostly rural county between Cleveland and Erie, Pa.

    "People in this county are hunters," said Mackey, who grew up on a farm with rifles and still owns firearms. "People have familiarity with firearms."

    Messages seeking comment on the judge's remarks were left for Sheriff William Johnson and county commissioners.

    Johnson has threatened to sue the commissioners to have some of his department's funding restored.

    The jail in the county of about 100,000 people has held as many as 140 prisoners, but the number has dipped to about 30 because of reductions in the guard staff. About 700 people are on a waiting list to serve time in the jail.

    Ohio has had a concealed handgun law for five years, and from October to December the Ashtabula County sheriff issued 54 licenses. Twenty-eight licenses were renewed.
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    Too bad that it takes economic hard times to get people, and the state, to look favorably on armed citizens.
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    What catches my eye is the waiting list to get into jail. Geeze..

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    Lets just hope that the Honorable Judge remembers what he said if/when one of his constituents has the need to use one of those weapons in self-defense!

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    I could vote for this man.

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    At least he's a judge who understands the importance of being able to defend yourself against the roaming dirtbags that this country is overflowing with......I like the way this judge thinks.
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    IIRC this was posted last January.

    What is the source link for this as it very much reads same as something posted months ago.
    Maybe it was a different town/city/state though.

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    700 criminals on a waiting list to serve their jail time? What the heck are they doing now?

    The judge is just stating common sense, however when things are bad enough where a public official such as a judge makes a public statement to that effect... well, I just gotta ask... "How's that Hope & Change working out for ya?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    Lets just hope that the Honorable Judge remembers what he said if/when one of his constituents has the need to use one of those weapons in self-defense!
    I was thinking that exact thing myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    IIRC this was posted last January.

    What is the source link for this as it very much reads same as something posted months ago.
    Maybe it was a different town/city/state though.

    - Janq
    Janq,

    The link is at the top of the OP's post and the date is new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    IIRC this was posted last January.

    What is the source link for this as it very much reads same as something posted months ago.
    Maybe it was a different town/city/state though.

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    Was it? I remember similar stories too, just not this specific one. The link where I saw it is at the very top of the post.
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    Nice to see he is also advocating people communicate with their neighbors and have some situational awareness about their neighborhood. Just getting people to be a alert and neighborly will probably help the law enforcement workload drop on it's own.

    Time to break the sheep mentality, and while that doesn't mean having to carry a gun, having the means to defend yourself when there's no guarantee of any sort of timely response is generally a good thing.

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    Huh? Take care of ourselves and maybe eachother? interesting idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdogtx View Post
    Janq,

    The link is at the top of the OP's post and the date is new.
    Geez...How the heck did I miss that?!

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