Bank Robber Subdued By Bear Hug

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    Not so much...As really he just got very lucky.

    Forward to 1:30 in the report.
    Two other helpers in the background, also arrested.

    Had they been armed or simply had stones to go after dude to release/rescue their partner...Now what?
    dude is standing there unarmed with no backup and no one offering to assist him either, including employees who know better.

    Over what; FDIC insured money.

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    January 1, 1981
    45-Year Terms Given 2 in Bank Robberies
    Two men convicted of armed bank robbery have received 45-year sentences in Manhattan from a Federal judge who said ''the public is fed up'' with guns and violence.

    The judge, Milton Pollack, handed out the unusually long terms on Tuesday in Federal District Court. The defendants - Christopher Dennis of the Bronx and Robert Fowler of Queens, both 28 years old - were convicted of robbing a Bronx savings bank and attempting another bank robbery that resulted in the wounding of a retired policeman.

    Mr. Dennis escaped from the courthouse moments before his scheduled sentencing last month, but was wounded during the escape and recaptured an hour later. The sentencing was then postponed until this week
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    Regarding accomplices. The backstory in this case is Christopher Dennis was the lookout guy outside the bank while Fowler went in and robbed it at gunpoint. Unfortunately for Fowler, the guy in line behind him was an off-duty NYPD cop. I seem to recall the cop wound up shooting Fowler. In any event upon hearing the gunfire Christopher Dennis ran inside the bank and shot the cop. He did not flee as so many suggest an accomplice will when/if gunfire erupts. He did what our finest soldiers do. He ran to the sound of gunfire.

    The cop survived his wounds. As did Fowler his. And Dennis his when he tried to escape in December 1980.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Not so much...As really he just got very lucky.
    Boy that's a fact. If the bank robber knew the first thing about martial arts grappling, the 'hero' would have been in deep, deep trouble. Countering a bear hug, from front or behind, is one of the easier things you learn in many arts. And if the BG's tail gunners were up to snuff - here the hero is with both hands effectively tied up, at the mercy of accomplices...

    Over what; FDIC insured money.
    Yep a huge risk to himself and the bank employees and customers - and the jerk would have no doubt been caught soon anyway.
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    Not the smartest move for the professor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Not so much...As really he just got very lucky.

    Forward to 1:30 in the report.
    Two other helpers in the background, also arrested.

    Had they been armed or simply had stones to go after dude to release/rescue their partner...Now what?
    dude is standing there unarmed with no backup and no one offering to assist him either, including employees who know better.

    Over what; FDIC insured money.

    - Janq
    Granted he clearly had a bad plan and either didn't take in the whole picture or ignored it, but the bolded I think is part of our societal problem.
    "Just let them have it...it's insured."
    "It's FDIC insured...let them have it..."
    We wouldn't be PAYING for FDIC out the horses behind if we'd quit this practice of roll over and play dead.

    The FDIC isn't some magical money tree. It comes from basically taxes against all the banks. As of this past August the total amount left in the FDIC's DIF fund was around $600million. To combat this, the feds decided to basically preassess all the banks for 3 years and required them to pay this preassessed premium on the next 3 years in advance as in NOW. Sure some of the larger banks that are stealing our money compliments to various bailout bills can absorb some of that, but what do you think this does to the smaller banks? I think we're seeing it daily. More and more smaller banks are failing, some of which most likely wouldn't have become insolvent if they hadn't been forced to make the choice of paying the next 3 years tax in advance all at once or closing up shop.

    As for depleting the FDIC further, sure they may have the authority to "borrow" up to half a TRILLION from the treasury to keep from going "bankrupt", but how do you think that half trillion gets replenished? Whether it's taxes, or the banks paying it back, one way or another you're paying it(like higher banking fees)...
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    I think what people are saying is that the small amount of money that a crook would get from a bank job is not worth taking someones life, or endangering yourself or other innocent bystanders. There are any number of bad outcomes from trying to stop a possesion/property crime, not to mention the legal and emotional costs to yourself if you act and injur or kill the BG. I think we would all agree that if you thought you or others were in danger it would be different, but you still need to be smart about it. It appears that this guy did not assess the situation well and did not have a great plan of action, he just acted.

    Comendable for his intent, but lacking in execution and forethought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram25 View Post
    Not the smartest move for the professor.
    Hey, it worked! the "right to use bear arms" I love it
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    A bear hug is fairly easy for a trained individual or a natural fighter to get out of.
    I'm glad it worked for him, but that was too risky.

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    Very risky, but glad it worked out. Hard to believe the idiot friends hung around. Three more dirtbags off the streets for a while.
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    PN'Nova,

    I don't think anyone above age 21 believes there is anything real called 'magic' or 'money tree'.
    Thanks for the refresher on the FDIC, which I was already well aware of what it is and how it works.

    Now back to the case at hand, this guy was not stealing a half TRILLION dollars.
    He was trying to make off with a bit less than that.

    Further and what is most important...A citizens life is more important than that of money or stuff of any sort.
    Easily repaired, replaced, and/or recovered stuff.

    Especially so _insured_ for losses money. Money that will be very easily replaced.
    Which is exactly why it is modern bank policy universally to just let the robber(s) have the money as much as they want and to not attempt to pull a Professor maneuver like this.

    I am quite sure this guys family and friends would say same as toward him.
    Even as there may be a half trillion dollar limit on how much the FDIC can borrow et. al.

    Human Life > Money

    - Janq

    P.S. - Agreed with all others, a bear hug is about the easiest of 'holds' to break from. As I watched the video I kept witing for the BG to smash the GGs nose/face with the back of his head or to begin river dancing on his toes.
    Glad it worked out for dude but this is about as ill planned a maneuver as it gets. Do not do this at home.
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