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    Unhappy British citizens are attacked in their own homes every 30 Minutes

    As reported by the Boston Examiner:

    Defenseless British citizens are attacked in their own homes by violent burglars every 30 Minutes

    February 3, 5:29 PM (2010)

    Recent statistics from Britain indicate that a citizen is attacked in their own home by a violent burglar once every 30 minutes. Those statistics, along with my thoughts on British gun control, the British ban on self defense, and what all this means for law-abiding British citizens, can be seen below:

    A householder is attacked by a violent burglar every 30 minutes. . . According to the BCS, householders came face-to-face with burglars in 20 per cent of domestic burglaries last year. . . Of the burglaries in which the victim came face-to-face with the intruder, violence was either used or threatened in 59 per cent of crimes. . . It was actually used in 40 per cent of cases. . . Tories estimated that householders came face-to-face with burglars in 57,000 – 20 per cent – of burglaries. . . Of these, 23,000 resulted in the burglar using violence against the householder.
    The folly of British gun control

    In a knee-jerk reaction to a pair of high-profile shootings, the British government enacted strict gun control at the national level. These anti gun laws went as far as to ban the .22 target pistols used by the British Olympic Pistol Team, forcing those athletes to go to Switzerland and France to practice their sport.

    However, the gun ban laws didn’t stop criminals from acquiring and misusing guns. Instead, British criminals buy their guns the black market, or simply manufacture their own illegal guns. Crime statistics reflect this fact, showing a 40% increase in handgun related crime in the first two years after the gun ban took effect, and a doubling of gun-related crime in the first decade after the gun ban took effect.

    It is also notable that even those British criminals who don’t have a gun are often quite capable of harming or killing their unarmed, physically weaker victims. In other words, a situation where neither the criminal nor the victim has a gun is often a situation in which the victim still loses. As an example, this elderly British man was tortured to death in his own home by unarmed criminals who incorrectly thought he had large amounts of cash they could steal. This elderly British woman was severely beaten and left for dead by an unarmed sadistic home invader who simply felt like harming another human for the fun of it. Similarly, this disabled woman was slashed with a knife by a gang of teenagers who attacked her and stabbed her dog to death for no reason at all. As a final example, I would note the stabbing death of Pat Regan, who was an anti-gun crusader. Again, looking at crime statistics rather than anecdotal evidence, stabbings in Britain have risen since the gun ban was enacted, and the stabbing of juveniles is up a staggering 72% over the last 10 years.

    For those who don’t believe that gun ownership allows for effective self defense, I would point out this statistical evidence along with these real-life examples.

    The injustice of the British ban on self defense

    Making matters worse, the British legal system seems to treat crime victims worse than it treats the criminals who attacked them. An example is the Tony Martin case:

    Tony Martin was a farmer, whose remote farmhouse had been broken in to many times. Martin feared future burglary attempts and the risk of being attacked by a violent burglar. When a pair of burglars broke in while he was home, Martin opened fire with a pump action shotgun. The 16-year-old burglar Fred Barras was killed, and 33-year-old Brendon Fearon was wounded in the leg. Later on that day, the police arrested Tony Martin and charged him with the crimes of murder and wounding with intent. At trial, Martin argued that he had acted in self defense, but the court found that he had fired while they were trying to flee. He was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison, although the conviction was later reduced to manslaughter with a 5 year sentence. The surviving criminal, who had over 30 criminal convictions, then sued Tony Martin for the injury he suffered during the burglary. The parole board refused to grant Tony Martin an early release because he “has shown no remorse and would continue to pose a danger to any other burglars.” Martin was eventually released from prison after spending years in prison and being vilified by the anti-gun groups in the UK for shooting criminals who had broken into his home.
    Another example, from 2009, also shows how the British legal system favors criminals over their victims:

    A millionaire businessman has been jailed for attacking a man who held his family hostage in their own home – while the criminal went free. Munir Hussain, who was threatened at knifepoint and tied up by a gang of masked men in his living room last year, was told he must go to prison for 30 months to preserve “civilised society”. But Walid Salem, a criminal with more than 50 convictions, was handed a two-year supervision order for his role in the break-in at an earlier hearing. He was one of three men who ambushed Mr Hussain, his wife and children as they returned to their home in High Wycombe, Bucks, on Sept 3 last year after attending Ramadan prayers at their local mosque, Reading Crown Court heard. Their hands were tied behind their backs and they were forced to crawl from room to room before being forced to lie down in the living room. But when Hussain’s teenage son managed to escape and raise the alarm, he seized his chance and turned on his captors. . . The brothers were found guilty of causing grievous bodily harm with intent by a jury in September. Sentencing, Judge John Reddihough told them it was his “public duty” to jailing Munir Hussain for 30 months and his brother for 39 months. . .
    For a discussion of why the outcomes of these cases where improper, see this article on the Tony Martin case, this article on second guessing crime victims who act in self defense, this article on why robbery is a crime against the victim’s person, rather than their property, and this article on vigilantism versus self defense.

    The bottom line for law-abiding British citizens

    The short answer is that law abiding British citizens are in an unenviable situation. They have been stripped of their right to have a gun for self defense, and can face prison time for using ordinary household objects to defend themselves against violent burglars. British criminals, on the other hand, are sitting pretty. They have access to an ever increasing supply of illegal guns, along with an ever increasing supply of defenseless victims. In the rare cases where the victim is able to act in self defense, the attacking criminal may be able to strike it rich by suing the victim.

    While I am always proud to be an American, that feeling is especially strong as I finish writing this article.

    Source - Defenseless British citizens are attacked in their own homes by violent burglars every 30 Minutes

    Additional reading as cited throughout the article:
    * Burglary victims attacked in their own home once every 30 minutes | Mail Online

    * Businessman jailed for attacking intruder - who goes free - Telegraph

    - Janq

    "The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of unnecessary implements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues and tends to foment uprisings." - Toyotomi Hideyoshi, dictator of Japan, August 1588
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing


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    The poor British subjects who are not allowed to even defend themselves have my sympathy. Even the deluded ones who feel that fighting back will only make it worse. I truly hope that this is the begining of a sea change in the UK
    “You can sway a thousand men by appealing to their prejudices quicker than you can convince one man by logic.”

    ― Robert A. Heinlein,

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    Well, there's another good reason for the Revolutionary War!

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    LiveLeak.com - Jeweller fights off axe & samurai sword wielding robbers

    Surprised this jeweller didn't get arrested. Looks like he struck as they were escaping (looking at it from the UK perspective). Here's another tidbit that adds insult to injury.

    The owner released the footage after a man was acquitted in court last week, accused of driving the getaway car.

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    just remember, the current administration and many liberals wants to emulate this system of socialism, backwards thinking, and total government reliance.

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    Check out these two articles

    Crime falls across England and Wales, official figures suggest
    Crime continues to fall sharply across England and Wales, figures published today revealed.

    Published: 10:19AM BST 22 Apr 2010

    Police forces recorded significantly reduced numbers of violent attacks, robbery, burglary and fraud.

    The total number of offences reported to police year on year fell by 7% in December 2009.

    This meant 339,473 fewer crimes took place last year, with a total of 4,448,273 offences investigated by police.

    The only major category to see an increase was sexual offences, which rose by 2% with an additional 1,135 crimes, bringing the total to 53,239...

    Source - Crime falls across England and Wales, official figures suggest - Telegraph

    Serious violent crime 'rising'
    Serious violent crime has increased four per cent in a year with a victim assaulted every 30 seconds, figures show.

    By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor
    Published: 1:18PM BST 22 Apr 2010

    Violent attacks where someone was left injured rose to 1.12 million last year despite Labour's claim to be combating serious crime. It will further fuel the row over the true level of violence on Britain's streets.

    Gordon Brown, the Prime Minister, has led ministers in claims that violence has been reduced since his party took power, while the Tories say it has risen.

    The row centres on the fact that the Government uses two separate measuring systems - offences recorded by the police and the British Crime Survey (BCS), which interviews 46,000 people.

    The measures give different trends, but Labour has long argued the BCS is a more accurate picture and that shows overall violence has fallen since 1997.

    However, in the latest update today it shows a four per cent increase in offences of violence with injury last year - from 1,080,000 in 2008 to 1,120,000 in 2009.

    It means someone was injured from a violent attack every 30 seconds in England and Wales.

    However, Labour welcomed the latest official statistics which showed crime overall was down seven per cent and is lower than when they took power.

    Burglary, robbery, drug offences and fraud were also all down but there was an increase in sex offences, the Home Office figures showed.

    The separate police recorded crime figures also showed a seven per cent drop in overall crime, including a three per cent drop in burglary, five per cent cut in robbery and four per cent fall in drug offences.

    Sex offences however, increased by two per cent.

    Overall, police recorded 4.4 million crimes last year, the lowest annual figure since Labour took power.

    Chris Grayling, the shadow Home Secretary, said: “Any improvement is obviously welcome, but we still live in a more dangerous country than when Labour came to power...

    Source - Serious violent crime 'rising' - Telegraph
    They have to manipulate the numbers view to feel better about the facts so that things don't seem as bad as they actually are.

    Such as being relative to times past; "The survey found the risk of becoming a victim of crime remains at a historic 30-year low."

    Back when serious violent crime attacks occurred in some time frame more often than every 30 seconds (!).

    Sad.

    - Janq

    P.S. - Note the population of Britain is 61,414,062 (2008) per source World Bank, World Development Indicators.
    They have serious concern about not if but when their population hits the 70M mark; BBC News - Panorama - What happens if Britain's population hits 70m?

    Comparatively the US has 307,006,550 (2009) per source U.S. Census Bureau, Population Division.
    We have just under five times as many people but our crime figures overall per capita are notably and significantly lower than the UK and have been for a decade now.
    Ironically as the US states have loosened restrictions against citizen self defense and the UK has constricted on same, our own crime stats have for real with manipulative view been actually dropping and are low for real. Even as compared to Canada too.

    Federal Bureau of Investigation: Uniform Crime Reports
    Federal Bureau of Investigation - How To, Use Our Resources
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    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

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    Janq,

    Thanks for posting this.

    Recently I had a conversation with one of the Liberal minded folk that I attend chuch with and he is largely anti firearm. I told him that the British Gun Ban had little effect on gun crime and he said, "I don't think so, and I would love to see the statistics".

    Guess what I will be presenting him soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoGunn View Post
    Janq,

    Thanks for posting this.

    Recently I had a conversation with one of the Liberal minded folk that I attend chuch with and he is largely anti firearm. I told him that the British Gun Ban had little effect on gun crime and he said, "I don't think so, and I would love to see the statistics".

    Guess what I will be presenting him soon.
    You can get him to talk to me if you like.......I live here


    Tint Bob (UK)

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    Jo Jo,

    Run a search on my name...I've through the years posted much on this subject and always I cite sources and have provided hard stats.
    That should be a very easy item to debate and shut dude down with, by way of factual figures.

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    Never mind, here's an assist...

    User: Janq | Keyword: "britain"
    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...archid=3128720

    User: Janq | Keyword: "british"
    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...archid=3128723

    Other relevant and _recent_ (this decade!) sources include:

    03rd July 2009
    * The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

    * http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-total-victims
    Data source: UNICRI (United Nations Interregional Crime and Justice Research Institute). 2002. Correspondence on data on crime victims. March. Turin

    * Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide? A Review of International Evidence

    * October 24, 2008 by BNP News

    Violent Crime up 22% as Home Office Admits Underreporting


    This is just a handfull.

    Note they are varied in sources domestic (UK police, govt. and news!) and international as well so that dude can't be all; 'But that's just twisting of numbers' or 'Anybody can make up statistics' or 'That's info you sourced from the NRA!'.

    The bottom line is this:
    If your associate has the ability to read and has mental ability to comprehend what is read, then he will never say another counter word to you again on this subject.
    On the off chance he does though have a retort well then he's proved himself to be lacking in one or the other area of importance.

    - Janq

    P.S. - The other favorite to reference is Canada.
    If he parrys do let me know because I've got some data and reports there as well.
    Same for Australia too, the sexual assault/rape capital of the westernized and modernized police reporting methods world.
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

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    Janq i would love the canada data! Thanks!

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    Stand by... <I just took a call from a client.>

    Edit:
    * DC.com thread by me
    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ot-linked.html

    * Garry Breitkreuz - Member of Parliament (Dec. 2006)
    "5,194 HOMICIDES IN 9 YEARS: 2.27% OF GUNS USED WERE REGISTERED"
    http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breit.../2006/dec7.htm

    * Statistics Canada (Their version of our Dept. of Justice 'Bureau of Justice Statistics'.)
    Wednesday, February 20, 2008
    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...80220b-eng.htm

    * [How to] Obtain a firearm [in Canada]
    http://web.archive.org/web/200706020...meinvasion.ca/
    Scroll down 2/3rds until you see the picture of the gun. The detail starts there and it is a lot to read but it is significant as in relation to the Canadian situation by fact.

    Another favorite to cite by antis and the clueless is Japan...

    Japanese Mayor Killed by Gangster
    Nagasaki Mayor Killing Shows How Gangsters Do Most of the Shooting in Japan
    By CHISAKI WATANABE
    TOKYO Apr 18, 2007 (AP)
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ory?id=3051700

    - Janq
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

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    You know, when I first got stationed at RAF Mildenhall in England, part of our in-brief was about the extremely high crime rate. Home break-ins occurred several times a night, every night in the villages around the bases. The legal office briefed us that we were'nt allowed to do anything to a BG if we caught one in our house "unless we felt like our life or our families life was in danger". Can you imagine that. Of course, all of us laughed that off and we told the lawyer the last thing we would do is to do nothing and that if anyone was in our house uninvited, we would consider that as being a threat to our lives. I was pretty lucky during my 4 year tour there and didnt experience any break-ins. Every neighbor of mine had been broken into and some of them twice while I lived there. Many of my troops had their home broken into also. The strange thing was, these BG's would get in at night and not a soul would ever hear anything. This was a common theme that no one heard a thing at night.

    I'm so glad that we dont live there anymore and I plan to never go back unless my son gets stationed there. Only then will I consider returning just to visit him.

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    Thanks !!!

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    England is a politically correct nightmare. 10 years there. Never will go back. Oppressive state.

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    Thanks for posting that Janq, and thanks to everyone else on their perspective on Europe and their rather large victim zone there.
    One of the most dangerous political philosophies afflicting America today is the belief that we can’t allow anyone to suffer the natural consequences of their own stupidity.

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