New Mexico: No more Utah permits, maybe others

New Mexico: No more Utah permits, maybe others

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    New Mexico: No more Utah permits, maybe others

    Effective immediately, NM will no longer recognized Utah permits:

    New Mexico DPS | CCW Info

    There has been talk a change for awhile, since many NM residents have chosen to get Utah rather than NM permits, but people I know expected that change to be that NM residents would need local permits.

    There are 18 other states whose permits may not be honored in the future (see link above) including Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wyoming ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark IL NM View Post
    Effective immediately, NM will no longer recognized Utah permits:

    New Mexico DPS | CCW Info

    There has been talk a change for awhile, since many NM residents have chosen to get Utah rather than NM permits, but people I know expected that change to be that NM residents would need local permits.

    There are 18 other states whose permits may not be honored in the future (see link above) including Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wyoming ...

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    This (see bold) I could understand, but disallowing 18 other states?

    I is a BIG step backwards for the law-abiding citizne.
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    wow..only texas is recognized..bummer
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    New Mexico No Longer Recognizes Utah Concealed Carry License

    DPS Press Release
    New Mexico No Longer Recognizes Utah Concealed Carry License
    April 23, 2010
    Contact: Peter Olson
    (505) 827-3361

    Santa Fe—Effective immediately New Mexico will no longer recognize concealed carry licenses issued by the State of Utah for the purposes of reciprocity in New Mexico, as the requirements for licensure in Utah do not meet the standards required in New Mexico statute. Rules governing the concealed carrying of weapons and issuance of licenses require that training and other provisions be as stringent or substantially similar to New Mexico requirements.

    Questions concerning licenses obtained from Utah by New Mexico residents have made it necessary to reevaluate which states will be recognized as valid in New Mexico.

    “We’ve had situations where certain concealed carry instructors in New Mexico solicit clients with the promise that if they train here and obtain a Utah license, which entails significantly less training than does a New Mexico license, it will qualify here,” said Department of Public Safety Secretary John Denko. “This is incorrect, and is nothing less than an effort to circumvent New Mexico concealed carry requirements which are designed to protect the public safety while honoring individual rights under the Second Amendment of the constitution.”

    The state will also review the status of eighteen other states currently recognized on an informal basis, with the intent of entering into written agreements with these states to ensure compliance with New Mexico law. These states are: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wyoming.

    New Mexico currently has a written reciprocity agreement in place with Texas; the status of this agreement will remain unchanged.

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    Glad I didn't send in that $100 for a Virginia permit. This sounds like one big scam to me, to invalidate out of state permits and force NM residents to obtain NM permits thus insuring their money goes into NM coffers.
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    I guess that I won't be visiting NM anytime soon.

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    If you live there,get a permit there.

    I see nothing wrong with the requirement that you have your own state's permit to carry in your own state.
    Several states like FL only recognize resident permits for out of state visitors.
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    I was told that Utah has more permits out there than their state population. Is that true?

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    226,103 Total Valid Permits as of March 31, 2010:

    (http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/documents/2010Q1.pdf)

    They don't say how many are non-resident, but there are quite a few of us ...

    2008 Utah Population, a bit over 2.7 million.

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    Too bad that something like that should happen.
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    (1) That's kind of a shock, but the explanation on the DPS site made sense and seems to be an appropriate action given the DPS's legal responsibilities.

    (2) Glad I already have an NM permit.

    (3) The DPS site also gave a head's up about the change to the concealed carry regulation being "contemplated": "Consumption of alcohol prohibited. No person shall consume alcohol while carrying a concealed handgun." This would be in addition to the current language "no person shall carry a concealed handgun while impaired by the use of alcohol, controlled substances, or over-the-counter or prescribed medications."
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    I see nothing wrong with the requirement that you have your own state's permit to carry in your own state.
    Several states like FL only recognize resident permits for out of state visitors.
    What about residents of CA, IL, NY, NJ, MD, WI, or MA where it is cost prohibitive or legally (or procedurally) impossible to get a concealed carry permit in their home state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    What about residents of CA, IL, NY, NJ, MD, WI, or MA where it is cost prohibitive or legally (or procedurally) impossible to get a concealed carry permit in their home state?
    What I meant was (for example);
    Florida resident must have FL permit to carry in FL.
    People in N.Y. etc,if unable to get home state permit can't carry at home anyway.
    They can get a non-res. permit from another state and possibly carry out of their home state.
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    I have a friend that lives in Albuquerque and holds a Utah permit. He's not going to be happy about this.

    As a side note, I'm surprised the NMDPS finally got around to checking their reciprocity agreements. The bureaucratic process is notoriously slow here in New Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Fish View Post
    I see nothing wrong with the requirement that you have your own state's permit to carry in your own state.
    Several states like FL only recognize resident permits for out of state visitors.
    Although they say that is what started the review, it reads as though a non-NM residents cannot carry on a Utah permit -- including Utah residents.

    New Mexico will no longer recognize concealed carry licenses issued by the State of Utah for the purposes of reciprocity in New Mexico,
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