Oddly, the NRA gets the 'last word."

Oddly, the NRA gets the 'last word."

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    Oddly, the NRA gets the 'last word."

    I've noticed that just about all the time, in a gun story, the antis get the last facts, and the last word on an issue. Here, it's the opposite:

    Concealed weapons law may change | www.thecamarilloacorn.com | Camarillo Acorn
    Concealed weapons law may change

    Sheriff could lose discretionary power to decide who can carry a firearm
    By Michelle Knight
    knight@theacorn.com
    Next month, voters will elect a new Ventura County sheriff. It will be the first time in 32 years the election for the county’s top cop has been contested.

    Besides heading the county’s largest police force, the sheriff determines who can and cannot carry a concealed weapon. But legislation making its way through Sacramento seeks to limit the amount of control the sheriff has in authorizing the permits.

    According to California law, the sheriff may issue a concealed weapons permit to persons of good moral character who prove to the sheriff that they have “good cause” for the permit.

    Assembly Bill 2053 would define “good cause” to carry a concealed handgun to include self-defense, defending the life of another or preventing crime that threatens human life. Permit applicants who give one of these three reasons why they need the permit would not have to prove their claim.

    Sheriff Bob Brooks said many people who apply for a concealed weapons permit are disqualified because they can’t show proof they need it.

    Brooks said the broader the qualifications for the permit the less law enforcement can assure the public that concealed weapons are in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

    Brooks said he won’t give a permit, for instance, to a security guard who works at night or a fearful teacher without a specific and necessary reason.

    If AB 2053 passes, the teacher and security guard would have to satisfy other requirements but need only give self-defense as their reason to qualify for a concealed weapons permit. Schools and many employers do not allow weapons on their property even if the person can legally carry a concealed handgun.

    The sheriff does issue permits, on the other hand, to those fearful of their safety who have been assaulted and must carry valuables or work in high-crime areas, such as a jeweler who transports large sums of money, a physician known to carry prescription medicine or a property manager who must respond to tenants of a housing unit at any hour of the day or night.

    “We lean toward giving it unless there’s a tangible reason not to,” Brooks said of the permit.

    The sheriff requires anyone applying for a concealed weapons permit to fill out a thick application, prove county residency, pass a criminal history check, be fingerprinted and take a firearm safety course approved by the sheriff’s department. The person meets later with a deputy to review their application and establish their need for the permit.

    If Undersheriff Mark Ball approves the application, it goes to Brooks for the final authorization. Permits are good for two years. There are currently 700 active concealed weapons permits in Ventura County, a number Brooks said is low in comparison to other counties.

    Brooks said his department verifies information in the application, calling employers and references. Those denied a concealed weapons permit can reapply in a couple of years, Brooks said.

    Felons and those on probation or under a restraining order are not eligible for a permit. Brooks said he won’t issue permits to people who have committed minor offenses within the past five years or those with mental health, drug or drinking issues. And he’d think twice about someone who failed to show up to court. Brooks said he’s looking to issue permits to people who demonstrate responsible behavior.

    “It’s common sense application,” Brooks said.

    Chief Dep. Dennis Carpenter, one of two candidates running for sheriff, said he would not comment on the pending legislation, which would allow more people to carry a concealed weapon.

    Carpenter did say that issuing concealed weapons permits is a “labor intensive” process for the sheriff’s department and that the waiting period for the permits, which could take up to six months, is too long.

    Cmdr. Geoff Dean, who is also running for sheriff, did not return phone calls from the Camarillo Acorn before press time.

    California is one of the few states that give county sheriffs and police chiefs discretion over who can and cannot have a concealed weapons permit, a so-called “may-issue” state.

    Ladd Everitt of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence in Washington, D.C., said that’s safer than “shall-issue” states, which use little or no discretion when granting concealed weapons licenses. States with “shall issue” laws must give concealed weapons permits to all citizens who meet background requirements regardless of the reason.

    On April 29, Iowa became the 41st “shall-issue” state. Arizona recently became the third state to eliminate the requirement for a state license to carry a hidden gun.

    Vickie Cieplak, spokesperson for the Virginia-based National Rifle Association, said her organization believes laws that expand a citizen’s right to carry a firearm enhance public safety. Stronger gun regulations affect law-abiding citizens because criminals, by definition, refuse to obey the law, she said.

    “We believe concealed carry permits should not be given on a subjective basis,” she said.
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    The Acorn is an advertiser supported newspaper that covers the area from Camarillo to Calabasas. Basically northwestern L.A. county and eastern Ventura County, a fairly conservative area by Southern California standards. They might have given the NRA the last word, but the overall tone leaned slightly toward anti self-defense for the common man (or perhaps it's completely neutral and my bias causes me to see it as anti and an anti gunner would see it the opposite way ).

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    Brooks said he won’t give a permit, for instance, to a security guard who works at night or a fearful teacher without a specific and necessary reason.

    This tells me he is an elitist^^^^^^^^


    “We lean toward giving it unless there’s a tangible reason not to,” Brooks said of the permit.


    If Undersheriff Mark Ball approves the application, it goes to Brooks for the final authorization. Permits are good for two years. There are currently 700 active concealed weapons permits in Ventura County, a number Brooks said is low in comparison to other counties.


    ^^^^^^^^This tells me he does'nt do much leaning^^^^^^^^^^


    Chief Dep. Dennis Carpenter, one of two candidates running for sheriff, said he would not comment on the pending legislation, which would allow more people to carry a concealed weapon.

    Carpenter did say that issuing concealed weapons permits is a “labor intensive” process for the sheriff’s department and that the waiting period for the permits, which could take up to six months, is too long.

    ^^^^This tells me this candidate is either sitting on the fence, is potentially pro gun, but afraid to admit it, or is just trying to cloud the issue^^^^^^^^^

    Cmdr. Geoff Dean, who is also running for sheriff, did not return phone calls from the Camarillo Acorn before press time.

    ^^^^If you are pro gun ,this is definitely one cadidate to AVOID at all cost^^^^^^


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    Both candidates are at best lukewarm on concealed carry. They talk about streamlining the application and renewal process which is absurdly long, but neither wishes to modify the policy.

    Carpenter being Brooks' favored successor is reason enough to vote for Dean. The Calguns foundation has a lawsuit on hold pending the outcome of McDonald vs. Chicago. There's no way any legislation that could result in more concealed carry permits will ever make it out of the public safety committee.

    Anti-gun legislation of course ALWAYS makes it out of committee and if it fails, it's only by a few votes.

    California gun owners have effectively given up on legislative relief and expect only judicial solutions.

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