A follow up article about the officer asked to leave the Red and Black.

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    Post A follow up article about the officer asked to leave the Red and Black.

    I'm posting this as a new thread as it is a new article.

    Business at Red and Black Cafe in Southeast Portland increases after police officer turned away | OregonLive.com

    Showing a policeman the door turned out -- inadvertently -- to be a good business decision for the Red and Black Cafe in Southeast Portland.

    The vegan establishment was deluged with customers in the two days after news came out last week that one of the co-owners had served coffee to a Portland police officer, then kicked him out.

    "We had a couple of really busy days over the weekend," said John Langley, the co-owner who served Officer James Crooker and asked him to leave. "We had two $1,100 days, which is maybe double a typical day."

    The story sparked a fiery response, with national coverage and about 600 comments posted on oregonlive.com. Along with a boost in customers, the cafe has received five threats of arson and other violence.

    Many people also expressed outrage at Langley's treatment of Crooker, who's received an outpouring of support on the streets.

    All that after buying a quick coffee on May 18. Crooker was walking out of the cafe when he was approached by a customer, Cornelia Seigneur, who said she appreciated the work of Portland police. Langley, who was watching, said seeing a uniformed officer in the cafe made him uncomfortable. So he went up and asked Crooker to leave, which he did.

    And that was that, until Seigneur blogged about it, and the story went viral.

    Langley said that most of the criticism has come from people threatening never to eat at the cafe. "I think most of those folks are people who had never or would never come to the restaurant," he said.

    The cafe hasn't suffered any vandalism or any other attacks, and Langley doesn't expect any, either. "It would be highly ironic if there were because the folks who are the most upset about this are presumably those who are in support of the police," he said, "so it would be weird for them to commit crimes."

    Although business has picked up, some customers voiced support for police. "I wouldn't even think twice about it if a police officer came in here for a bite, maybe to make sure things are running OK," said Stacey Tran, who lives in the neighborhood and was at the cafe Monday. "That's part of their job. It's what our tax dollars go toward."

    Online commenters have asked what the cafe's seven co-owners would do if they were attacked. Call the police?

    "I don't think we are trying to be purists about it," Langley said. "We would prefer that there be some practical alternative to police like community forums for restorative justice, for example."

    At a news conference Monday, Langley rejected criticism that he had discriminated against the officer. "In no way does this compare to racial profiling or racism," he said. "A person can choose to be a police officer but a person of color cannot."

    Langley said earlier that many of the customers in the cafe, which draws vegans and environmental and animal rights activists, have been victims of harsh police tactics and were worried about police shootings.

    A member of Rose City Copwatch, a police monitoring group, backed up that sentiment at the news conference, saying in a statement that Portland police are focused on arresting people "to maintain a status quo that is built along race, class and gender lines."

    Still, Langley said police officers are welcome in the cafe out of uniform. "It's not personal," he said.

    Nor did Crooker take the incident to heart. In fact, the reaction has been heartening, he said.

    He's received calls from police officers from New York and Washington state offering to buy him, even the entire bureau, coffee. Portlanders have approached him on the street offering to treat him to coffee as well.

    "Every single police officer in the area has been receiving the same love from the citizens and that's heartwarming," Crooker said.

    None of his colleagues is angry about the incident, he said.

    "I don't know of any police officers who have any ill will towards the cafe owner or anyone who's involved in this," Crooker said. "Hopefully everyone walks away from this graciously with the lessons that life has taught us and nobody has any bad feelings about anything."

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    Of course it generated business...all the people walking around with a bag of pot or mushrooms in their pocket decided they had less chance of being arrested by going there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhoWeBePart1 View Post
    "I don't think we are trying to be purists about it," Langley said. "We would prefer that there be some practical alternative to police like community forums for restorative justice, for example."
    - Which is exactly the reason that child prostitution is rampant there. Portland's punishments for child prostitution are a joke compared to neighboring states. You actually will serve more time for dealing drugs than being a pimp for minors.

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    I think they're casing the joint!
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    Hmmm $1100 days and no Cops!

    May as well call the Coroner and get a table ready.
    I'm wondering if the Owners have thought about how big the Target is on their backs now that the Criminal ELement has been told of their easy pickins. Because you know a CHL Owner won't be buying coffee in there.

    Any bookies want to take bets on how long before they get robbed?

    May as well stake your sheep to the stake and leave. Cause the Wolves can read too.
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    I can't understand why he'd say publicly how much they are taking in.

    Hopefully he doesn't become a target because no one deserves that regardless what we think of his beliefs.

    And kudos to the officer for again showing a lot of class over the whole situation.

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    "We would prefer that there be some practical alternative to police like community forums for restorative justice, for example."

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    Perhaps this man is convinced that since he and his patrons abhor guns that they will somehow, magically not come knocking.
    Now all they need is some Magic dust from Tinkerbell.

    I fear this business is going to learn the hard way.
    And in this case it appears he's made it easier for Crime to Pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curt58 View Post
    Hmmm $1100 days and no Cops!

    May as well call the Coroner and get a table ready.
    I'm wondering if the Owners have thought about how big the Target is on their backs now that the Criminal ELement has been told of their easy pickins. Cuae you know a CHL Owner won't be buying coffee in there.

    Any bookies want to take bets on how long before they get robbed?

    May as well stake your sheep to the stake and leave. Cause the Wolves can read too.
    No kidding. It makes you wonder what kind of clientele thay are attracting to a publicized police-free zone. Might as well put a big bliniking sign out front that says, "Welcome Criminals!!! Police-Free Zone Taking In $1,100 a day!"
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    Next time I am in that area I will be sure to go into that establishment and defecate on the restroom floor.

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    ...only a matter of time before there is yet another follow-up article, with the predictably tragic armed-robbery (or worse) headline.
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    What kind of commie, pinko, tree-hugging, flag-burning, hash-smoking clowns raise up children who distrust cops? And who's the first person they call to come save their butt in a situation?

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    I can't understand why he'd say publicly how much they are taking in.
    He's proven stupid. No surprise that the stupidity continues on.

    Hopefully he doesn't become a target because no one deserves that regardless what we think of his beliefs.
    I disagree. This fool deserves a good lesson in reality.

    And kudos to the officer for again showing a lot of class over the whole situation.
    Agreed. A gentleman and a pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastk9dad View Post
    I can't understand why he'd say publicly how much they are taking in.

    Hopefully he doesn't become a target because no one deserves that regardless what we think of his beliefs.

    And kudos to the officer for again showing a lot of class over the whole situation.
    Oh yes...I would certainly hope there is an "alternative" to this fine upstanding business establishment becoming a target. Perhaps receipt of a "rotten order of coffeee beans" or some such alternative paybacks. Maybe bugs in his lettuce. I'm sure many of us could come up with things to make his life a little better in the name of "VEGANISM"...Just consider this as my support of comments in a, quote by the cafe owner, "a community forum for restorative justice"... May his business in the future reflect his "profiling of the LE community"...Sigh...why did I even attempt any humor here.
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