Should he have just complied?

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    Should he have just complied?

    Vallejo man, 65, injured fighting knife-wielding robber
    Times-Herald staff report
    Posted: 07/30/2010 04:26:32 AM PDT

    A 65-year-old man cut his hand Thursday as he resisted an alleged robber armed with a knife.

    The incident began at about 10:30 a.m., police said. The man was walking his dog on the 100 block of Copper Way when the suspect approached him from the rear and put a knife to his throat, police said.

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    65 YO apparently unarmed vs 20 YO armed with knife? Yup, comply. Pitch the wallet in one direction and try to run in the other.

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    Personally, I think that trying to judge a persons actions after the fact is not terribly productive. The reason I say that is that whatever action was taken or not taken has precluded any other possible outcomes.

    One could use statistics to evaluate possible actions and potential outcomes in this and similar types of situations. While a general indicator of the possible or likely outcomes, it is by no means absolute.

    IMO, each situation must be judged by the individual involved based on the perceived threat and the individuals attributes, training, experience and their perceived ability to effect the outcome in a positive manner. Other than that a perceived outcome of death or GBI to the victim would suggest resistance regardless individual capabilities.

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    Not enough info to call it as anything but a strong arm robbery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Not enough info to call it as anything but a strong arm robbery.

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    With a knife to his throat?

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    No situational awareness, no carry piece, and a very useless dog. Fighting bsck may have saved his life or just cost him a bunch of stitches, who knowes which.
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    i think he did what was right for him in that situation, someone pulls a knife on me, im apt to deploy my own and defend myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    i think he did what was right for him in that situation, someone pulls a knife on me, im apt to deploy my own and defend myself
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    Well he's alive after having a knife at his throat...can we fault him?
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    Maybe his personal code of honor demanded that he fight rather than surrender. If he chooses to live and die fighting for himself, I can't really fault him for that. Perhaps he will be more prepared in the future because of this incident, and that preparation could one day save his life. Obviously those of us here would like to get it right the first time which is why we discuss these things.

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    Being that located in Northern California, just outside San Francisco, the person was more than likely walking a bichon, a toy poodle or a chihuahua.

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    LOL Barren. Yeah, the ones that help people drive a 2,000 lb. vehicle down the road, climbing all over the driver and sticking their heads out the window while doing 75 mph. Yeah, I've seen them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctsketch View Post
    Well he's alive after having a knife at his throat...can we fault him?
    no way to know how any other action would have turned out...

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    Vallejo Ca. used to be the home of Mare Island Naval Shipyard and has always been a low rent district for the bay area. The shipyard was closed several years ago, the local economy is in the dump. The city of Vallejo filed bankruptcy and has fired most of the LEO's. The criminals have the run of the city. I lived and worked there (shipyard) in the 80's and carried every place I went Vallejo was not safe then and it isn't now.
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    So, let me try and understand this....he allowed someone to follow him, while walking a dog, and allowed the person to get close enough to hold a knife to his throat and demand his wallet?
    Then tried to resist? Grabbed a knife with his hand? Seems like he should have just given the guy his wallet and walked away....now he's gonna have a sore hand for a while and lost his wallet too.
    I guess he was in a feisty mood or thought he could overcome a guy with a weapon with his bare hands....maybe he'll think a little differently from now on....

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