Full body (airport) scanners on wheels in your community?

Full body (airport) scanners on wheels in your community?

This is a discussion on Full body (airport) scanners on wheels in your community? within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...t-roving-vans/ American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted ...

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    Full body (airport) scanners on wheels in your community?

    http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenber...t-roving-vans/

    American Science & Engineering, a company based in Billerica, Massachusetts, has sold U.S. and foreign government agencies more than 500 backscatter x-ray scanners mounted in vans that can be driven past neighboring vehicles to see their contents, Joe Reiss, a vice president of marketing at the company told me in an interview. While the biggest buyer of AS&Es machines over the last seven years has been the Department of Defense operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, Reiss says law enforcement agencies have also deployed the vans to search for vehicle-based bombs in the U.S.
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    More power to them, if it'll shorten the war on terrorists.

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    Not much privacy left in our country. Although I don't like 'Big Brother' viewing everything...something doesn't feel right...looking in my trunk or listening to my conversations is going to be quite boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Sarge View Post
    More power to them, if it'll shorten the war on terrorists.
    It is not about terrorists and bombs. That is the excuse. It is about marketing technology and making money, our rights notwithstanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    It is not about terrorists and bombs. That is the excuse. It is about marketing technology and making money, our rights notwithstanding.
    It is not just a bomb sniffer for Afghanistan. It can be used at our ports to check containers full of who knows what. What do you have against technology? Our rights? are you saying that TSA in not needed? I'm not sure what your views are. I lean a bit to the right without going too far. Even though I think some people cheat to get wealthy, I'm a capitalist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    It is not about terrorists and bombs. That is the excuse. It is about marketing technology and making money, our rights notwithstanding.
    Marketing the and profiting from technology does not violate our rights in any way. The proper use of the product is soley the responsibility of the end user. Kind of like firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    It is not about terrorists and bombs. That is the excuse. It is about marketing technology and making money, our rights notwithstanding.
    Do you know who is selling those? Former DHS weasel Michael Chertoff. The guy who wanted scanners in the airports, but refused to close the border.
    Once I learned that, I knew the roving machines were just a scam to spend money. I'm sure they'll be checking out all the chicks though.
    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Marketing the and profiting from technology does not violate our rights in any way.
    Yeah, it does. I don't recall giving permission to have someone checking under my clothes. What are they looking for? Terrorists? They know where to find them........muslim neighborhoods, mosques. Driving around is just PC crap.

    Am I being insensitive? It's about time we all took a stand!

    So, let's suppose they drive by you and see you have a gun in your pocket. Up zooms a swat team and orders you to the ground. As your face is on the cement will you think your rights are being protected?

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    I can honestly support the use of this technology at airports, government buildings, border crossings, and other high risk locations. But the thought of them driving through neighborhoods and scanning houses isn't that much of a leap that I'm not willing to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    Yeah, it does. I don't recall giving permission to have someone checking under my clothes.
    And the sale of a product is someone checking under your clothes? Sorry, but that is a possible use by an end user. Just as murder is a possible use of a firearm by an end user or the distribution of child pornography is a possible use of a computer. Are you saying that since this particular product may be used to violate your rights it should be banned? If so why should we not ban all products that may be misused criminally?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    And the sale of a product is someone checking under your clothes? Sorry, but that is a possible use by an end user. Just as murder is a possible use of a firearm by an end user or the distribution of child pornography is a possible use of a computer. Are you saying that since this particular product may be used to violate your rights it should be banned? If so why should we not ban all products that may be misused criminally?
    There has already been one news story of a fight which broke out between two TSA employees. The machines which are not supposed to capture images, do capture them, and as these employees were "testing" the machine the image of one of them was captured. It was passed around and the other employees made fun of the size of the stuff on the employee who allowed himself to be the test image.

    WHile we can't say that because anything which can be abused will be abused we shouldn't take advantage of technology, we do need to be careful. Careful as in, guys, you want to look at something, get a warrant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    And the sale of a product is someone checking under your clothes? Sorry, but that is a possible use by an end user. Are you saying that since this particular product may be used to violate your rights it should be banned? If so why should we not ban all products that may be misused criminally?
    What do you think these scanners do? Make ice cream for the kiddies? No, the purpose is exactly what I stated, to look under your clothes. Besides the fact I'm not that proud, I think they go too far. DHS already admitted that airport body scans were being saved by TSA in violation of what they told the public. Now, they aren't going to just drive around, they need some police backup in case they actually find something other than female body parts.
    The machine is not being MISUSED as you imply........that's what it does! Do you say a flashlight is misused if it illuminates a room? That's what the purpose is !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    The machine is not being MISUSED as you imply........that's what it does! Do you say a flashlight is misused if it illuminates a room? That's what the purpose is !!!
    No, a flashlight is misused if it is used to intentionally blind or otherwise injure someone.
    So then by your logic a computer hard drive is not being misused when someone stores child pornography on it, because data storage is what hard drives are for right? And because of that we should prohibit the sale, use or posession of data storage equipment. And a firearm that in the hands of a criminal launches a bullet that kills a person is not being misused because launching bullets is what firearms are made for. So murder is a proper use of firearms?
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    We already have high altitude drones flying over us here in the U.S. & popping pictures of us.
    Our license plate numbers can be read from space.
    They can park a vehicle outside your home and hear every single word that everyone is saying imside.
    They can turn on a machine that can make everybody in a crowd nauseous, dizzy & sick.
    Remote facial recognition can auto-run your face through a data base and know everything about you without you even knowing that you've been scanned.

    They might as well spy directly into my vehicle and check out those empty Dunkin' donut bags and moldy MickyD coffee cups.

    There is no such thing as guaranteed privacy anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QKShooter View Post

    They might as well spy directly into my vehicle and check out those empty Dunkin' donut bags and moldy MickyD coffee cups.
    Oh my G-d. He's got an unknown powder in there, right there in the donut bag. Spread him out. Call out the guys with the hazmat suits; Diabolic, QK. He hid it where he thought they'd never find it.

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    I'm surprised at some of the responses here. If you read the whole article, it is plainly obvious that there are law enforcement agencies somewhere in America driving this thing around peeking into our clothes, cars and homes, and this activity will only gain momentum. Where is the outrage? Our wise Founding Fathers knew that for liberty to flourish, it would be better for 100 of the guilty to go free than to have 1 innocent in prison, and that those who are willing to give up liberty for security will get or deserve either. With this technology you might as well allow LEOs and government agents to come into your house without a warrant to conduct random searches!

    Please read the following and tell me if it sounds contrary to what these scanners do:

    US Constitution, Amendment IV

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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