Armed man investigates alarm, killed with his own gun

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    Armed man investigates alarm, killed with his own gun

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    Hesitation got this guy killed. Plus he should have waited for the LEOs. Burglary not worth dying.
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    Should have played the role of good witness than the one of police officer. It's sad he had to die though.

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    Not good. I always say...live and learn. Apparently some never get the chance to learn and live. Too bad IMO. Stay above ground.

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    Sad example of people thinking they are armed merely because they have a gun...

    You aren't armed because you have a gun...you are armed because you are trained to use the gun and have it with you.

    Subtle difference...

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    Agreed about being a good witness and thoughts of the gun being a talisman.

    If only people knew how truly difficult and rife with danger 'clearing' a structure is never mind doing same by yourself (!). If you do not have to do this to save human life, then do not do this.
    It ain't like on _fiction_ TV and the movies with actors folks.
    No property damage and/or theft is worth dying over....Especially that of property you don't even yourself own.

    Even if he had just stayed outside of the house monitoring the door while having called police, he'd have been better off.
    As well with the prior auto accident...Call the police too.
    What's he out there taking pictures for?! The kind of people who wreck their car into fences at that hour are out their mind drunks and drugged people. I don't want to have conversation with either such persons at all...Never mind after dark and middle of the night.

    This man died for no good reason at all.
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    Of course nobody knows the details,but the first rule is USE GUNS AT A DISTANCE.I could understand if he turned a corner and got disarmed,but in a parking lot?

    Not good to know of someone dying,but this just looks like plain stupidity on Miller's part.Yes,i would have gone over to help.I doubt my outcome would be the same.

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    Bad move!

    I did something similar once when a 70yo widow and her 95yo mil called me at 2:30am one morning. But, we lived in the country and help was at least 45min away. Fortunately nothing happened and the BG surrendered his weapon. (I also have some LEO training/experience so I felt qualified.)

    I still live in the country; and help is "still" at least 15min away. (If they can find it!)

    I commonly investigate noises outside. But, I take one of my dogs outside with me. Most disturbances in the country are animals. But, I did find one bg in the woods last year during a nightly perimeter walk.

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    I am confused by the time frame everything happened?

    Nevels crashed his car into a townhouse at 0530 & then broke into one at 1000???
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    ZX9 you are not confused.
    Correct...And it was the same townhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    ZX9 you are not confused.
    Correct...And it was the same townhouse.

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    Then, maybe it wasn't the time frame that has me confused, lol......

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellCT View Post
    Sad example of people thinking they are armed merely because they have a gun...
    But he would have been a wimp and coward, had he not gone in himself ... right? I mean, that's what we hear so often:
    "Don't be a wimp, cowering in the corner, frightful of your own shadows ... take charge, take control, take back our streets, if only you act now!"
    Yeah. Maybe it's worthwhile to jump right in. Maybe there are other options. Trouble is, evaluating options afterward is too late. There's a reason why police clear houses with two or more officers, with the right tools, only after a lot of training, and even then some of them get taken down.

    Not intending to judge this particular situation and the choices made at all, but this does provide a stark example of what can happen if only for the willpower of the felon who is found with his plans being interfered with.

    You're correct: a gun, alone, doesn't mean a person is "armed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glocksin View Post
    Of course nobody knows the details,but the first rule is USE GUNS AT A DISTANCE.I could understand if he turned a corner and got disarmed,but in a parking lot?

    Not good to know of someone dying,but this just looks like plain stupidity on Miller's part.Yes,i would have gone over to help.I doubt my outcome would be the same.


    ^^^^^^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    I could understand if he was ambushed or the like, but according to the article, he was quite neglectful in his SA and let his guard down.

    This is vastly different IMHO from entering a dwelling and trying to clear it.

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    Miller encountered a man who apparently had broken into the town house, later identified as Nevels, and the two men fought in a parking lot behind the residence. The burglar apparently got the gun away from Miller and shot him with it, Willingham said.


    Miller must not have ever heard of Tueller.




    Miller encountered a man who apparently had broken into the town house, later identified as Nevels, and the two men fought in a parking lot behind the residence. The burglar apparently got the gun away from Miller and shot him with it, Willingham said.
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