Former Marines Charged With Selling Guns to Street Gangs

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    Former Marines Charged With Selling Guns to Street Gangs

    Three former Marines have been charged with selling "illegal assault rifles" to street gangs.

    http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...tory?track=rss

    LOS ANGELES (KTLA) -- Federal officials say they have arrested three former Marines for selling illegal assault weapons to a Los Angeles street gang.

    The suspected ringleader, Adam Gitschlag, who served in Iraq and was once based at Camp Pendleton, was arrested at his Orange County home Nov. 2 as part of an operation carried out by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, as well as military investigators and local police.

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    I once saw a show on TV that showed how gang bangers joined the military to learn how to become "killers". Then they get out and go back to there gang and teach them what they'd learned.

    I guess they also learn where to steal firearms from too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    I guess they also learn where to steal firearms from too.
    It doesn't say they were stolen. The assault rifles are illegal in Ca. but they may have been purchased legally in a nearby state.

    Money... the root of all evil. It's guys like this that create new gun laws and take our freedoms away.
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    And on the Marine Corps' birthday, too... :(
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    I thought there was no such thing as a "former Marine".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xader View Post
    I thought there was no such thing as a "former Marine".
    These turds are, they don't deserve the title of Marine

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    No, "former" Marine is the correct nomenclature. "Ex" Marine is a no-go.
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varob View Post
    I once saw a show on TV that showed how gang bangers joined the military to learn how to become "killers". Then they get out and go back to there gang and teach them what they'd learned.

    I guess they also learn where to steal firearms from too.
    Seen that in "Gangland:Basic Training". It's been an ongoing problem that the DOD and Pentagon have pretty much kept a tight lid on.

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    Granted it's been a while since I was Active Duty enlisted, but I never saw any evidence of that in the units I was in. Of course, it would take a pretty motivated gangbanger to go through everything required to get INTO those units, but still... I saw very scant evidence of any gang activity on post(s) at the time.

    More recently (2005ish), while called back to active duty, I did see some gang markings around Ft. Bragg and Ft. Polk - I was pretty taken aback by it. I hope that whatever REAL gang activity is going on in the forces is being vigorously investigated - that sort of cancer simply can't be allowed to flourish in the ranks.
    A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xader View Post
    I thought there was no such thing as a "former Marine".
    There are former Marines, I mean, once a Marine, always a Marine, but once you have done your service former Marine is accepted as correct. Ex-Marine is reserved for scumbags who have somehow caused disgrace to themselves or the Corps, like those who get dishonorable discharges, it could also apply to these turds it looks like.

    As far as gangs in the ranks, from my experience it is actively policed, and the military tries its best to keep them out. It may happen in some units, I haven't seen it in mine, but maybe that's because I'm in the most deployed regiment in the Marine Corps, or because we are separated from the mainland. Or just because we are the bloody infantry, and they didn't make it far enough, or didn't stick around long enough after boot camp to get to the fleet.

    Does it happen, maybe, but I think that they are usually discovered and unable to gain much knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig35seven View Post
    It doesn't say they were stolen. The assault rifles are illegal in Ca. but they may have been purchased legally in a nearby state.

    Money... the root of all evil. It's guys like this that create new gun laws and take our freedoms away.

    Exactly! They could have been an AR, WASR, or even Mini 14

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    I guess they didn't take the lyrics of the Marine's hymn to heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Granted it's been a while since I was Active Duty enlisted, but I never saw any evidence of that in the units I was in. Of course, it would take a pretty motivated gangbanger to go through everything required to get INTO those units, but still... I saw very scant evidence of any gang activity on post(s) at the time.

    More recently (2005ish), while called back to active duty, I did see some gang markings around Ft. Bragg and Ft. Polk - I was pretty taken aback by it. I hope that whatever REAL gang activity is going on in the forces is being vigorously investigated - that sort of cancer simply can't be allowed to flourish in the ranks.
    In my first 2 years in the Navy onboard an aircraft carrier, all I can recall was that there was an investigation of sailor who went UA for over 30 days and when his lock got cut and bunk emptied to make room for another crewmember, there were a lot of gang paraphernalia inside his bunk and also pictures of him and his buddies doing gang signs. And this was back in 1996. the policy then in the military was that you can still be a gang member as long as you do not carry out their activities. Now, if they found out, you can be kicked out and even then, it is still difficult, as some gang members nowadays have shunned gang tattoos/gang clothing to avoid being detected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    Granted it's been a while since I was Active Duty enlisted, but I never saw any evidence of that in the units I was in. Of course, it would take a pretty motivated gangbanger to go through everything required to get INTO those units, but still... I saw very scant evidence of any gang activity on post(s) at the time.

    More recently (2005ish), while called back to active duty, I did see some gang markings around Ft. Bragg and Ft. Polk - I was pretty taken aback by it. I hope that whatever REAL gang activity is going on in the forces is being vigorously investigated - that sort of cancer simply can't be allowed to flourish in the ranks.
    And, as a recruiter then, unless they have tattoos that represent gang affilication (I was usually the gang tattoo expert in my recruiting station because of my military law enforcement training and personal experience), or admitted they were/are in a gang, there is no telling if the applicant is/was a gang member.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OPFOR View Post
    No, "former" Marine is the correct nomenclature. "Ex" Marine is a no-go.
    Duly noted.

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