Duh-Duh-Duh Another one bites the dust......
This is a discussion on Bar owner kills would-be robber within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; http://www.rnews.com/Story_2004.cfm?...18&category=10 Suspect Killed in Robbery Attempt by Seth Voorhees Published Jul 06, 2006 A bar owner shot a would-be robber to death at his establishment ...
Suspect Killed in Robbery Attempt
by Seth Voorhees
Published Jul 06, 2006
A bar owner shot a would-be robber to death at his establishment on Lyell Avenue.
The incident occurred at Kitzel's bar on Lyell Avenue. Police say shortly after noon Thursday, a man attempted to rob the place when he was shot dead by the owner, John Kitzel of Rochester .
“He'd give you the shirt off his back, if you asked him for it,” said Susan Kitzel, daughter of the bar owner. “That’s the truth.”
Police have not released the name of the deceased gunman.
Police recovered handguns, believed to belong to both Kitzel and the suspect. Police say there were no witnesses.
“The two individuals were inside the establishment by themselves,” said David Moore, Rochester Police Chief. “The operator was actually opening up when this happened.”
The case will be presented to a grand jury, though police say the preliminary indication is the shooting was done in self defense.
Last edited by darkvibe; October 6th, 2006 at 10:25 AM.
Duh-Duh-Duh Another one bites the dust......
Thank goodness the bar owner was in a position to defend himself! Who knows what may have happened to the bar owner if he had been unarmed!
The gun-grabbers will try, but they will not take your guns away from you!
Everything on what is given suggests a justifiable shooting - hope that pans out quickly and easily for the owner in his favor.
Pity it has to go Grand Jury tho - no witnesses does make it somewhat more complicated. I wonder if the perp had a rap sheet - that would help.
Any further reports with more details would be useful if anyone finds anything.
Chris - P95
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is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!."
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I will keep the thread updated if there are more news reports. Here is one more report but the details are the same. Sometimes they update the story so checking back later might work.
I do have to say... That stretch of Lyell ave is one of the places I avoid, armed or not.
I work in Rochester myself, most days. Glad to see this worked out -- but of course they'll crucify him if they can find any way to do it, this being New York.
Reason why I drink at home.
It comes a time in your life when you run across someone you should have never @#$$% with. Allow me to introduce myself!
Sad situation. If the bar owner would have simply just handed over the money,nobody would have gotten hurt.
Way to go barkeep !! ---------
Last edited by RSSZ; July 7th, 2006 at 04:29 PM.
I heard of some guy walking into a gun store recently with a knife
with the intention of holding it up. DUH, they shot him in the ass
then called the cops....
Not an optimal result with the Grand Jury and all, but unjustified persecution in court is better than the morgue.
Deceased BadGuy; that has a nice ring to it.
Move to the South, you are better suited down here. I use to work for IBM here in Texas. I have been to "up state NY" on business trips. I love the people up there. However, they are out numbered by the sleeeeeeez in NY city.Originally Posted by Phil Elmore
Does NY law require a Grand Jury, or is it "discretionary" for the DA? Anyone know? I don't know if there's such a thing (a legal requirement to convene a GJ), but otherwise, why is it even going - other than political pressure and "environment".
"He went on two legs, wore clothes and was a human being, but nevertheless he was in reality a wolf of the Steppes. He had learned a good deal . . . and was a fairly clever fellow. What he had not learned, however, was this: to find contentment in himself and his own life. The cause of this apparently was that at the bottom of his heart he knew all the time (or thought he knew) that he was in reality not a man, but a wolf of the Steppes."
I don't believe it is required by law, no. It's just the local leftist establishment doing everything it can to create a criminal-friendly environment.
Originally Posted by jimbthestripper
Requiring a license makes it illegal to do something that was lawful before the license was required.