Mosque fire in Portland OR

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    I smell this thread getting closed soon. If they haven't already things are on the verge of getting personal/heated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatopardo View Post
    What does one have to infer here? I think, in short time we as a nation will prove if we are indeed superior to the national socialist movement of the 1930's or scenes like this one are going to be the norm, we already know the results of such bigotry.


    The vast majority of WWII veterans who fought this same type of madness have passed already, what an irony indeed, that we could become that which we hate the most.

    In short, I know we can fight this crazy ideologies with intelligence, rational thinking, which by contrast sits on the opposite side of passionate response.

    On hindsight, all this could prove that our educational system is failing us and our kids miserably if we are behaving like animals, we all know already how the enemies of our country have educational programs worth nothing, therefore their lack of conscience.

    Where knowledge is absent, fanaticism abounds, (which by the way is only acceptable in sports since none really knows the outcome of any game).

    If I was in charge of education I would make it sure that every child in our nation has access to food schooling and furthermore a superior education, FREE!!!!

    We can certainly ascertain the price of a pound of steak, but we should never accept to put a price on education and the future of our nation.
    Well said, Sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpwing View Post


    This appears to advocate the death of all those who don't think like you. Welcome to the club of extremists and hardliners.
    Just saying I wish the extremists killed each other instead of getting those that don’t care killed, or make there lives a pain. Instead they are mainly killing people that want to go about their lives and not force there belief system on others. I’m fine if they want to keep it in their communities but seriously do you think when I am walking around I care about your god or his god or want the laws made to fallow the beliefs of her god. NO its stupid and counter to the American ideals to make laws because supposable some dude that never dies gave some dude that does a book. Honestly what I have seen from religious hard lining is pain, suffering, harassment, oppression, and conflict. Worship however you want but don’t bother me or anyone else about it. I think that’s pretty reasonable, yet most would suggest that its better for the religious to fight each other on the streets where those that are not involved will die to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexHassin View Post
    Worship however you want but don't bother me or anyone else about it...
    The problem is that many Islamic fundamentalists see "not bothering you" as a sin, as their interpretation is that "infidels must be destroyed".

    It's a matter of incompatibility of ideologies.

    There will always be those who believe is their right and duty to force their beliefs on others, and almost no religion is innocent of this in some way. Though there is a huge difference between prosthelytizing and murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xader View Post
    The problem is that many Islamic fundamentalists see "not bothering you" as a sin, as their interpretation is that "infidels must be destroyed".
    Bothering people seems to be a problem among many religions. Whether its not believing in there god or as in a case of a friend of mine because of where they work, violence or the threat of it often comes up.

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    It's a sad state of affairs, but smarter men than I have been trying to solve it with little success...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexHassin View Post
    Just saying I wish the extremists killed each other instead of getting those that don’t care killed, or make there lives a pain. Instead they are mainly killing people that want to go about their lives and not force there belief system on others. I’m fine if they want to keep it in their communities but seriously do you think when I am walking around I care about your god or his god or want the laws made to fallow the beliefs of her god. NO its stupid and counter to the American ideals to make laws because supposable some dude that never dies gave some dude that does a book. Honestly what I have seen from religious hard lining is pain, suffering, harassment, oppression, and conflict. Worship however you want but don’t bother me or anyone else about it. I think that’s pretty reasonable, yet most would suggest that its better for the religious to fight each other on the streets where those that are not involved will die to.
    Fair enough, but like Xader pointed out some religions include the mandate to convert by force those who don't want to play ball. Likewise, the absence of a deity in one's personal philosophy does not make it any less extreme. The problem isn't religion, it's humanity. Take 100 people who have all possible characteristics in common and stick them on an island. Before the month is out they will have found something to quibble over and passionately (perhaps violently) divided themselves into at least three camps; each pointing to the other two as the source of trouble.

    Although some terrible things have been done *in the name of* my religion by those who committed/advocated them, none of those atrocities conform to it. Example: Murdering abortion doctors? Nope, not in my Bible. Yet there was a Christian priest who did exactly that, and he justified his actions by taking scripture out of context. The problem with Islam is that the justification for terrorist violence does NOT need to be taken out of context; it IS the context.

    A "moderate" Muslim is one who isn't living up to his proscribed duties as a Muslim. He is the eastern equivalent of a "Sunday Christian."
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