This is a discussion on For all those who use birdshot for HD within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Lewis128 Hmmm maybe birdshot wasn't his first choice, but rather what was handy at the time. It's possible. I really don't intend ...
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Humm, good point made on the "heavier clothing" the burglar was wearing. I may recheck what I'm using in winter. I have # 3's.
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""I've got long hair and tattoos and I just got off parole, so I'm the bad guy automatically," he said."
Uh, that and you broke into someone's house and got caught.
How dare that home owner shooting someone who entered his house in the middle of the night. The intuder has rights also, come on guys dont be too harsh. I am sure his freinds and family will be interviewed and we will all see he is a great guy who is misunderstood.
birdshot is for brids
At my house the first 6 rounds are double-00, and the last two are rifled slugs, just in case the guy is wearing REALLY HEAVY clothing.
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'But the injured suspect, recovering at Spectrum Health Butterworth hospital after being shot in the hand, buttocks and side"
Get a good hit, it makes a lot of difference.
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Within any range you need to aim a shotgun. To what extent that "aim" needs to be is a function of many things, but it still needs to be aimed.
As for this:perhaps if a more appropriate defensive load was being used, the "hand" hit would have gone through the hand and into whatever (his chest?) was behind it. Ditto the "side..." the side of what? The side of the chest is just as good as the front, IF you are using a round/shot with sufficient penetration. And what's on the other side of the "buttocks?" Quite possibly the pelvic bones - break/crush those with an qdequate load, and the threat will very likely not be able to stand (though he may still be a threat, depending on the curcumstances). But, to penetrate the, um...butt...you (again) need an appropriate defensive load. Birdshot, quite simply, does NOT have sufficient penetration and is inadequate as a defensive load. Had those same three hits been with heavy buck/slug, the BG would be likely be telling a significantly different story...But the injured suspect, recovering at Spectrum Health Butterworth hospital after being shot in the hand, buttocks and side
A man fires a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands - love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper - his hands remember the rifle.
There is no way I would choose birdshot for defense. Why would I use a round designed to take down a 3# duck on a 200# human?
That said, if it's all I have at hand, I certainly wouldn't hesitate to use it, as least to give me time retreat to safety or to a better gun.
This is what I suspect is the case here. That's what he had, and he used it. Good for him!
Going against the grain here, although I am not a fan of using birdshot for self defense...The man in this case though was functional in that he both _STOPPED_ the threat AND he dissuaded him from wanting to fool with him further as in to re-group and come back for a second try in the immediate.
I sure as heck would not want to be hit int he hand or anywhere with birdshot.
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You guys are looking at this as though he is a failure because the birdshot failed to either incapacitate and/or kill him; To which both are secondary to actually STOPPING a threat.
Had the man chosen to simply hold his gun in hand and tell the man with his voice to 'STOP!...LEAVE NOW!' and if the threat had done so, then that too would be functional and just the same in net end result.
The threat stopped in the immediate and ceased thereafter.
Lets not lose sight of the big picture.
We don't hope to wound/injure and/or kill threats.
Our primary goal is to STOP the threat as in the immediate, and our hope is to dissuade the threat from continuing/re-grouping toward a follow on effort in the moments and seconds after what is the immediate.
That said though; Again I like the rest of you would not encourage use of birdshot and/or target loads for defense of ones self against beings that are ostrich sized or larger in mass.
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