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About LinkBacksLike you said yourself, this is just your opinion with no factual relevance to what happened....Originally Posted by Hopyard
This is a discussion on Sheriff Dupnik gave Loughner several passes on death threats within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Hopyard I do think all the violent rhetoric that gets tossed around rather carelessly, including sometimes here when folks talk about a ...
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Like you said yourself, this is just your opinion with no factual relevance to what happened....
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I think that the Sheriff in this case gets some blame because he came out with a personal biased non fact based accusation of a whole bunch of people. He had no business making accusations with no evidence what so ever. However I have read the story that the Sheriff himself said the shooter had previously made death threats. This makes everyone wonder if the Sheriff with guilty feelings was trying to cover up his own incompetency. Take away his unprofessional actions and I don't think you get the attacks (at least this early before we have all the facts).
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I will not jump to conclusions until the facts come out. Just look at other shootings occuring in malls, schools, college campuses where mass shootings occurred I guess L.E. were responsible for those too. Of course government have deep pockets, been there done that when it comes to people suing. To me committing murder is a state of mind crime where prevention is almost impossible. When its comes to security, President Reagan was shot with a PSD around him along with other people. I am assuming if she wanted security it was a phone call away.
Also I do believe that there is more than 1 mentally disturbed person living in Tuscon too that have the potential to be violent too so do we lock them up too. How about everybody be pissed at the guy who committed this heinous crime instead of arm chair quarterback review. If there is a file on this guy lets see it. Maybe state law needs changing when dealing with the mentally disturb person.
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It has to do with the sheriff letting his political leanings cause him to ignore his duty, or didn't you bother to read it?
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Hey Blair let me ask you this. Is it your duty to investigate a possible felony if a complaint is made to you? Yes?
Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers.
Is a death threat a felony in AZ?
Do you see where I'm going with this?
I'll stand by my previous post and say that IF the above is true then it sure as heck is LEs fault. You'll notice the "if" is the big question here.
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Hopyard & Bark'n,
Even plain clothes security...As n not obvious wearing a uniform types.
For example this past spring I'd attended as an invitee the UMass-Amherst annual Faculty Convocation.
This is invite only not open to the public attended largely by faculty and a few select non-faculty guests as among the UMass system, state reps again...And me.
There were less than 100 people on site actual, I have no idea how many were invited.
They had security.
A three man team of plain clothed ill fitting suit wearing you gotta be kidding me tac type smoked color 'eyepro' (only a shooter or industry person would recognize them as such) sporting black tac boots.
This was a quiet day event within the central heart of the campus.
They even had the mind to provide some security. And they were armed as noted by the poorly fitting Sunday suits they had selected to wear and clearly to me did not purchase while taking into account executive/vip detail work. I'd posted about this some time ago in a thread about wearing proper clothing as when in a civilian _concealed_ intent mode of dress.
If a bunch of professors and a college chancellor are deemable to have security, then MOST definitely a sitting congress person intending to give a political dialog public 'meeting' should.
Even as other folks normal protocol has not been to give this item a second thought; As based on caught by OMG I can't believe this happened results.
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Janq, as for the first outdoor rally I mentioned above there might have been or might not have been plain clothes security, but I doubt there was any. No one was hanging close or hovering, and there was free access to a handshake. That incident was at a somewhat more calm political moment.
As for security at the second venue I mentioned, no--- I either recognized everyone there or knew someone who recognized them, or they were young interns. Again, no one hovered near the critter to offer instant protection of any sort.
Probably, I was the most scary looking person in the place as I attended an evening affair dressed in my usual wranglers and tennis shoes. I looked out of place and probably caused a little low level concern for the critter---and I realized that too late, so I avoided engaging him in conversation and kept my distance so as to not make him feel uncomfortable.
On returning home I caught it from the big boss of the house for having made a posterior of myself by not at least putting on dress slacks. A lesson learned along the lines of my previous posts that one should dress appropriately to avoid standing out and becoming a target for a BG.
It looks like things security wise will change in the future. Unfortunate.
And for all the government haters out there, really, the critters I mentioned were very ordinary real human beings and not some alien creature who wants to destroy America.
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Yes it is but what facts are present he say she say or text messages, letters, etc.something that back ups the allegations, the burden of proof lies with the state. Maybe some of the complaints the victims just wanted reported but wanted no action. I have seen that numerous times in domestic incidents.Even if you did arrest victims sometimes do not show up in court causing charges being dropped. Lets say Loughner was arrested some hot shot lawyer comes in saying my client is unstable and needs help. They send off for treatment, give him some meds 6-12 months later they give him the stamp of approval and put him back out into society. Then 1 day he forgets taking his meds and goes off the deep end and kills someone(s), who are we going to blame now. This happens all over this country as we speak. Here in Louisiana we refer it to as Terrorizing which carries a max. 15 years.(felony)when making death threats.
Opinions everybody has one and I respect that. No matter what we say here, it will never bring back the lives that were lost and injured that day in Tuscon.
We'll never know but there is also the chance that an alert officer could of picked up cues before the shooting even started and would of had this guy proned out before he could of hurt anyone.
Dupnik is a clown and he has proven it over and over this past week. But, once again, this is out of the forums scope. Closed.
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