This is a discussion on Radio station owner loses CWP after airing "shootout" challenge within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; IMO: The guy in question is a far out nutcase. BTW: No one has the right to threaten any elected official. i didn't like it ...
IMO: The guy in question is a far out nutcase.
BTW: No one has the right to threaten any elected official. i didn't like it when aol left a direct threat to newly elected president Bush on a message board for three days. Finally several members of the forum reported the perp to the USSS. i do not like it when people make threats, veiled or otherwise, against president Obama or any member of the US congress.
Everybody knows, or should know, that making statement be they verbal or written as to imply if not outright state direct personal injury to be applied to a President, present or past, is bad ju ju.THREATS AGAINST PRESIDENT
18 USC 871, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to willfully make a true threat to injure or kill the President of the United States.
A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt:
First: That the person uttered words alleged to be the threat against the President;
Second: That the person understood and meant the words he used as a true threat; and
Third: That the person uttered the words knowingly and willfully.
A "threat" is a statement expressing an intention to kill or injure the President; and a "true threat" means a serious threat as distinguished from words used as mere political argument, idle or careless talk, or something said in a joking manner.
The essence of the offense is the knowing and willful making of a true threat. So, if it is proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the person knowingly made a true threat against the President, willfully intending that it be understood by others as a serious threat, then the offense is complete; it is not necessary to prove that the person actually intended to carry out the threat.
Source - http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t028.htm
This guy was talked to and likely found to simply be a moron with a big mouth and slow wits, thus not charged with a federal crime. But as result of his dim witted actions he's now suffering at the local/community level.
As to 'Ali', I don't know what or how he has anything to do with anything as related to this person being discussed and that of President Obama.
"Jacob Volkmann gained national attention last week when he was contacted by the Secret Service for saying he’d like to “knock some sense” into President Barack Obama during a post-fight interview on January 1. When asked who he would like to fight next, he flippantly replied that didn’t matter, then added: “Actually, Obama. He’s not too bright…. like the make a home affordable plan and his health care plan, someone needs to knock some sense into that idiot.” - As directly quoted from the article; This is a DIRECT _implied_ statement to apply violence toward a President.
OK I give up. You guys win.
I American and I Ameriwill!
atctimmy: "The phrase 'someone needs to knock some sense into that idiot," needs some examination as to whether or not, how uttered, it might be criminal or result in the speaker being charged with a crime.
e.g., 17 y.o. to 12 y.o. in conversation between the two regarding a step-dad: "someone needs to knock some sense into that idiot." 12 y.o. proceeds to do that; trips dad on the top of the stairs. We all know that the utterer of the incitement to violence is going to be in trouble.
Someone with a law degree commented to me that our Supremes need to clarify a bit more when and how incitement violates free speech, but it is not presently, free speech to incite someone to a criminal act.
Here on this board we have huge numbers of folks who assert that they are law abiding, but we repeatedly read all sorts of stuff which indicates that many aren't quite so willing to be law abiding. These comments run the gamut from "I'll carry in a no gun zone, " to "I'll not obey those orders," to "I'll make my guns disappear," to encouragement of violence or applause of threats of violence being made.
It is really really hard to see how voicing these views give us any level of respectability with folks who look at the people who post here as representative of the concealed carry community.
Atctimmy, I'm really not picking on you. You are one of the more mild ones and I enjoy your presence here. I'm directing this at the universe of people who routinely violate the forum rules by cheering on illegal activity instead of condemning it.
IMO: There is something basically wrong with a radio station owner who plays an anti-Martin Luther King rant four times daily. i'll go farther than that: There is something basically wrong with a radio station owner who plays any kind of rant four times daily.
ALWAYS carry! - NEVER tell!
"A superior Operator is best defined as someone who uses his superior
judgement to keep himself out of situations that would require a display of his
-Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
What the ???? does this thread have to do with the President, or anyone making threats towards the President ???? This thread got waaaaaay off topic.
This article is about a guy who ranted about Martin Luther King and had a negative opinion on how he's held up as a God, and about a reference to a "shoot out" challenge with a rival radio station. On top of that , he's a SHOCK JOCK, which is exactly what SHOCK JOCKS do to get ratings.
So, a SHOCK JOCK says something about man who is dead, but some revere as a hero / god, and challenges a rival radio station ..... that's been going to his sponsors and trying to get them to drop him, and he gets all of his guns confiscated with no due process of the law at all.... . and has not been charged with a crime ? Does that sum it up ?
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There are certain places that yelling show me your boobies is ok,but I wouldn't say it in church
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