Us Consular Employee in Pakistan Charged with Murder, After Shooting 2 Armed Robbers

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    Davis is still in custody as of today. According to the LA Times, the US Government is calling for his release.

    Here is a photo of him being escorted by Pakistani police:




    Meanwhile, angry crowds are calling for Davis to be hung:




    Here is a link to this updated report on this incident:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,2032633.story

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceORYGUN View Post
    Why was he carrying a Beretta pistol, however? The article referenced in post #8 said that he was armed with a Beretta. Do CIA agents carry Berettas?

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    No.
    Normally they are issued Glock.

    This to me too is a surprising elemental twist.
    The m9 is a large gun even as full size pistols go. Choosing to conceal/discrete carry one of those is a bit of a challenge in general and when rolling as below radar and being extra-legal, why one would of all tools n the market choose that in specific is a bit surprising.

    None the less again regular State dept. personnel generally are not armed nor provided arms for self defense, anywhere....Not just in Pakistan, as per Pakistan law.
    Persons deemed to be unsecure and/or sensitive will have security assigned to them....And would not leave said persons to travel in country as alone.

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    CIA can carry whatever they want too when their in a country on an op, there are no standard issue weapons for them in the field unless in the United States, if there were, might as well brand CIA on their forehead
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    Quote Originally Posted by INccwchris View Post
    CIA can carry whatever they want too when their in a country on an op, there are no standard issue weapons for them in the field unless in the United States, if there were, might as well brand CIA on their forehead
    Correct, though only for operatives and not generically to those among divisions and staffing who are not actively clandestine.

    The CIA has many personnel in country at a given time doing many different and varying things both forward, often under 'State Dept.' cloaking, and clandestine.

    Generally it is Glock...And as noted special people can put hand to anything they want, so then why of all things difficult select an M9...A tool generally considered as an item for field expedient open carry.

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    Perhaps the guy is a big Mel Gibson fan. I remember wanting a Beretta after seeing Lethal Weapon 1 and 2:



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    There are some poeple that just like Berettas.
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    There is nothing wrong with a Beretta.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guantes View Post
    There are some poeple that just like Berettas.
    And in pairs too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    No.
    Normally they are issued Glock.

    This to me too is a surprising elemental twist.
    The m9 is a large gun even as full size pistols go. Choosing to conceal/discrete carry one of those is a bit of a challenge in general and when rolling as below radar and being extra-legal, why one would of all tools n the market choose that in specific is a bit surprising
    .

    None the less again regular State dept. personnel generally are not armed nor provided arms for self defense, anywhere....Not just in Pakistan, as per Pakistan law.
    Persons deemed to be unsecure and/or sensitive will have security assigned to them....And would not leave said persons to travel in country as alone.

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    The first thing that pops into my mind is that it might of been what he cut his teeth on, and what is familiar to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    There is nothing wrong with a Beretta.
    Agreed.

    It's again just a rather large in format size sidearm selection for discreet/concealed carry, among what is a non-permissive environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    The first thing that pops into my mind is that it might of been what he cut his teeth on, and what is familiar to him.
    That is not normally a condition, weakness nor thought process of an operator, a professional.
    Tool selection is normally based on the conditions of the environment and the task.
    An operator is flexible, not centric, as their mission and life can depend on same.

    I'd better buy that if this were Joe Civilian busted for unlawful carry in Chicago or DC, after being run up on at a Nationsbank ATM by a pair of 'hoods.
    This though is not that guy nor condition.

    Within the realm of possibility?
    Yes.
    Most likely reasoning?
    I personally wouldn't bet the farm on it....Unless it were in Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LanceORYGUN View Post
    Perhaps the guy is a big Mel Gibson fan. I remember wanting a Beretta after seeing Lethal Weapon 1 and 2:



    Booger hook off the bang button Mel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    That is not normally a condition, weakness nor thought process of an operator, a professional.
    Tool selection is normally based on the conditions of the environment and the task.
    An operator is flexible, not centric, as their mission and life can depend on same.

    I'd better buy that if this were Joe Civilian busted for unlawful carry in Chicago or DC, after being run up on at a Nationsbank ATM by a pair of 'hoods.
    This though is not that guy nor condition.

    Within the realm of possibility?
    Yes.
    Most likely reasoning?
    I personally wouldn't bet the farm on it....Unless it were in Kansas.

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    Like I said, it was the first thing that popped into my head when I read it.

    I got to work with some really "cool dudes" while overseas, from a several groups and agencies. A lot of them get to carry whatever they want within reason. And I found a lot of former military types stick with the M9. Because while firearms play a role in their profession, they aren't "gun guys" per se. But, for a lot of them the M9 in the service is the first pistol they shot. A lot of them have years and years of experience and training with the weapon. So to them they don't really feel a need to learn a new weapons system, because the one they have works just fine for them.

    Looking at it from a "gun guy" perspective, it doesn't make the most sense, but not all of them are really gun guys. That is where I was coming from.
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    He may have been what used to be called a military TAD. Even during my time it was not unusual for SOC unit members to be borrowed to fill in holes in places where regular agency slots could not be immediatly filled. Thats probably why the M9. Probably issued from the MSG DETACHMENT ARMORY assigned to the embassy or consulate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glockman10mm View Post
    He may have been what used to be called a military TAD. Even during my time it was not unusual for SOC unit members to be borrowed to fill in holes in places where regular agency slots could not be immediatly filled. Thats probably why the M9. Probably issued from the MSG DETACHMENT ARMORY assigned to the embassy or consulate.
    This I could buy into, outside of Kansas.
    No other option available and hasty armament per short notice.

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