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    From the Lubbock AJ,

    Not sure what the old gentalman thought was going on or what he was doing. Glad no one was killed.


    ARTICLE:

    A 90-year-old Lubbock man is in stable condition today with a gunshot wound to the upper torso after an early morning exchange of gunfire with police.

    Shortly before 3 a.m. today officers responded to 5301 51st Park Place, apartment A8 to a call of a burglary in progress.

    As officers prepared to clear the structure, a man inside a neighborhing apartment fired a shot at the officers from inside his apartment, said Lubbock Police Sgt. Jonathan Stewart.

    Officers returned fire, wounding the lone occupant of the apartment in the upper torso.

    Officers did not release the name of the 90-year-old man.

    Stewart said one officer was treated and released from Covenant Medical Center for minor injuries.

    Several people were brought to the Lubbock Police Department for questioning.

    Stewart said charges are pending. Investigators continue to work the incident.

    More on this developing story at lubbockonline.com and the Monday print edition.

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    Sounds like the old man is senile. Hopefully he will recover well and they will find him a home to live in.

    Also, Sgt. Jonathan Stewart haha
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    Wow, sounds like he thought they were the bad guys. I agree with DontTreadOnI, it's time to find Pawpaw a home... preferably one without guns!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RugerRon View Post
    Wow, sounds like he thought they were the bad guys. I agree with DontTreadOnI, it's time to find Pawpaw a home... preferably one without guns!
    Here is an update: Police went to the wrong apartment (No9 vs. No8) and he shot at them.

    LINK: 90-year-old charged in Sunday morning shooting | Lubbock Online | Lubbock Avalanche-Journal

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    By Robin Pyle Copyright 2011 . All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
    September 26, 2011 - 02:57pm
    90-year-old charged in Sunday morning shooting
    AVALANCHE-JOURNAL

    Authorities have filed felony charges against a 90-year-old man they say fired at least three shots at Lubbock police officers early Sunday morning.

    Willie John Williams was charged with two counts of aggravated assault against a public servant and taken into custody at University Medical Center.

    He was being treated for a gunshot wound to the upper torso after officers shot him during the exchange of gunfire early Sunday at 5301 51st Street.

    His condition wasn’t available on Monday morning because he is a security patient, a hospital official said.

    Williams is accused of firing at officers Curtis Fish and Jacob Flores while they were responding to a report of a burglary in process at the Parkridge Place apartments.

    A man called 911 just before 3 a.m. Sunday to report people were trying to break into his apartment — which was No. 8 — and for police to hurry.

    When officers arrived on scene, they said they saw a male walk into apartment No. 8 and close the door, according to the affidavit filed with Williams’ arrest warrant.

    Then the same man opened the door.
    Officers said they yelled at him to “come here,” but as soon as he noticed police he closed the door and locked it.

    Fish and Flores approached an apartment window that had been shattered and cleared it of glass pieces, believing the window belonged to apartment No. 8, according to court documents.

    However, police later wrote the window actually turned out to belong to apartment No. 9, where Williams lived.

    Windows to both apartment No. 8 and No. 9 had been smashed out prior to police arrival.

    As Flores was pulling the mini blinds out of the window of Williams’ apartment, the officers said they heard a “pop” and immediately saw fragments of something coming from inside the apartment outside, according to court documents.

    Officers said it sounded like a shotgun.

    They said they than began to yell “Lubbock Police Department, put the gun down.”

    But they heard another shot, they wrote.

    That’s when Officer Fish returned fire.

    After that, they heard another shotgun pop.

    Williams was taken to University Medical Center, where he was taken into custody and arraigned. His injuries were considered non-life threatening.

    Neighbors told The Avalanche-Journal they thought Williams was confused and they’d never known him to be aggressive or violent.

    Bail attached to Williams’ arrest warrant was $10,000.

    No arrests have been made in connection with the burglary.


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    So, old man has his windows broken in. He does not call the cops and someone tries to come in through the window. In TX, he theoretically has the right to defend his life and property from intruders. The cops do not announce who they are as they try to come in. After having a defensive shot fired at them, they state they are cops.

    Maybe the old man heard the cops, maybe his hearing aids were on the nightstand. If he heard them, why would he believe they were cops just from a shout from the back window of his flat? Heck, anybody could claim to be cops and cops usually are not climbing in through your rear window unannounced. I would be surprised if this case survives a TX jury, assuming it gets that far. If the castle doctrine means anything, it applies to everone including government agents illegally entering your abode.
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    As Flores was pulling the mini blinds out of the window of Williams’ apartment, the officers said they heard a “pop” and immediately saw fragments of something coming from inside the apartment outside, according to court documents.

    Officers said it sounded like a shotgun.

    They said they than began to yell “Lubbock Police Department, put the gun down.”

    But they heard another shot, they wrote.

    That’s when Officer Fish returned fire.

    After that, they heard another shotgun pop.
    This timeline is very important. I don't think charges would stick on the old man either though. But, he did not obey a very basic firearm rule.
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    So, they tried to enter the wrong apartment without identifying themselves,

    the old man shoots a shotgun (indoors)

    And then they expect him to hear over the ringing in his 90 year old ears and believe what they say?

    I think if they had just identified themselves before the first shot, it would of been a non-issue.
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    Hmmm this does change my view on this story. If the police actually did try to bust into his dwelling without announcing themselves, then I cannot say I would agree with their action.
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