BAD: Robbery suspect shot and killed [Kentucky]

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    BAD: Robbery suspect shot and killed [Kentucky]

    THIS happened about 12 miles south of me. The bad part is that the BG was killed after the threat sopped.
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    similar incident recently in Minnesota. State declined to press charges as there was an additional threat at some point that justified the shooting. Have to wait and see. Could go either way. Wisconsin's new law specifically states you DO HAVE the right to pursue and protect your property. It does not give the right to use lethal force except if your at some point in fear of your personal safety (death or serious injury). sort of cloudy so probably will require a couple of court challenges before it becomes better defined.
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    When you choose to be a crook and rob people, you also should understand that one day you may lose your life in the process.
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    Even if criminal charges aren't brought against the clerk, you can bet there will be a fat lawsuit filed against the clerk, the station, and Shell Oil (even though they didn't own the station). The bad guy's family is already upset that he was shot outside the station. Apparently, they aren't upset that he was out pulling armed robberies in the wee hours of the morning. But, they are upset that he got shot in the process.

    Our entitlement society has now grown to the point that people feel that if they want something they are entitled to take it from you by force. However, if you respond with force, to keep them from taking it; their family gets upset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gene83 View Post
    Even if criminal charges aren't brought against the clerk, you can bet there will be a fat lawsuit filed against the clerk, the station, and Shell Oil (even though they didn't own the station).
    Now you see what I do. You see, this happened in a town of less than 7000 people. And the last name of the boy that was shot is very, very common in the county. It's one of those situations where you describe the car and 11 people say oh, that's, xxx's, car. Futhermore I am pretty sure there is video of the event. Most every C-Store I do work in seems to have cameras these days. Even of there are no charges filed by the Police, I fee confident the matter will go before the Grand Jury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diddle View Post
    Now you see what I do. You see, this happened in a town of less than 7000 people. And the last name of the boy that was shot is very, very common in the county. It's one of those situations where you describe the car and 11 people say oh, that's, xxx's, car. Futhermore I am pretty sure there is video of the event. Most every C-Store I do work in seems to have cameras these days. Even of there are no charges filed by the Police, I fee confident the matter will go before the Grand Jury.
    Oh, you can bet on it. I'm sure the family already has an attorney preparing his lawsuit naming the deep pockets oil company as one of the defendents. Even though they didn't own the station, their name was on the sign outside. My handgun permit instructor told us a story about a fellow who shot a man who had threatened to kill him previously and who he caught climbing through his bathroom window armed with a pistol. The bad guy's family had already filed a lawsuit before they held their dear departed's funeral.
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    I'm gonna sound like an old guy, but here it is anyway: I remember a day when the family would have hung their heads in shame and apologized for the dead BG's actions - and I'm not all THAT old.

    What happened - nowadays they just lawyer up as if someone done them wrong.
    I guess the family is just as hot after the easy money as the BG was... they're no better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverickx50 View Post
    similar incident recently in Minnesota. State declined to press charges as there was an additional threat at some point that justified the shooting. Have to wait and see. Could go either way. Wisconsin's new law specifically states you DO HAVE the right to pursue and protect your property. It does not give the right to use leather force except if your at some point in fear of your personal safety (death or serious injury). sort of cloudy so probably will require a couple of court challenges before it becomes better defined.
    Perhaps if someone used "leather force" at an earlier time the kid wouldn't have robbed the store.
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    good catch I fixed that. My mother who was an English teacher would be very unhappy LOL
    I carry to protect myself and my loved ones from the BG's. Not to solve societies problems. That said: if more carried the deterrent would only have a positive overall effect on those problems.

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    Actually my father used "leather force" once on me and it kept me on the straight and narrow.

    To dad "leather force" was a wide thick leather belt applied with the force of his arm swinging it onto my butt.

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    I'm assuming that this crime being a felony or not is contingent upon the amount taken. If I'm not mistaken, I believe you can use lethal force in KY so as to stop a felony. To play it on the safe side, if I were the store manager, I wouldn't have chased the thug outside. My life is worth more than a few bucks and some cigarettes. Also, I wouldn't want someone to come back and say that my life was no longer in danger since the threat had left, I merely wanted to play vigilante. Too many unknown risks are involved with chasing the thug down and putting an end to his life. The problems that this clerk could have may follow him for years to come. I say all of this with the risk of being accused of being an armed chair quarterback because I feel that others may benefit from this line of reasoning if he/she ever finds him/herself in a similar situation.

    Also, I'm wondering if money stolen from small stores are insured in a similar fashion the same as it is when banks are robbed. Do stores have insurance that protect them from robbery? I don't know, I'm asking.

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    If I were to be on the jury, the clerk would walk. That said, in KY. if a shoot is ruled justified then no civil case can follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old School View Post
    Actually my father used "leather force" once on me and it kept me on the straight and narrow.

    To dad "leather force" was a wide thick leather belt applied with the force of his arm swinging it onto my butt.

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