This is why you can't always shoot someone in the back

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    This is why you can't always shoot someone in the back

    Even with their own gun, even after they've used it to shoot your 4 year old son.....

    Story Here
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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    The story says he may face charges. Then again, maybe he won't. Time will tell.

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    He looked like he was turning around, & I thought he might have another weapon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkhmAsylm View Post
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    He looked like he was turning around, & I thought he might have another weapon.
    While that sounds good, an investigator will find a way to trip someone up who is lying to cover their butt.

    Odds are if it does go to trial they will have a hard time finding a jury willing to convict a father who just saw their child shot. I know I'd vote for acquittal.
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    Shouldn't be a damn trial.
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    While I don't care about the BG being shot, I'm not certain the title of this thread is relevant. The father did not shoot his son, the BG did. It should be more about not running after a BG and then shooting them.

    I'm hoping the father does not have to face any charges. What a terrible thing to have to bear witness to.

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    While that sounds good, an investigator will find a way to trip someone up who is lying to cover their butt.

    Like your attorney would say, already asked and answered!

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    Well, this case certinally blurs the lines, dosn't it?

    One of the rules of deadly force I've been taught is to prevent the escape of a violent criminal.
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    Did you guys read the story? He chased them down as they ran away and in a park down the road shot one of them in the back. That is vengeance, not self defense. Even if the one he shot turned around at him to fight, he escalated the conflict by chasing them. And why wasn't he focused on getting his son help? This one sounds like the dad did not do a great job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Even with their own gun, even after they've used it to shoot your 4 year old son.....

    Story Here
    Bring the man and family in the story to Texas....all expenses paid....set his kid up at Dell's Children's Medical Center. Legally, he goes to jail in NY. NY selfdefense law is a cluster. Forced Sheepdom.......


    I notice that this occurred under New York Sheepdom Law.

    We can anecdotally find supporting data for either side of this "shoot in the back" thing on google all day long.


    Here is my bottom line: Know the law in your own State. Act accordingly to stay legal. Be able to articulate your lethal force actions to show your lethal force actions complied with your State's use of lethal force law only with your Quality attorney present.
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    To bad he only wounded the perp !! I can say this, I would have done the same thing. There's justice by the law and then there's justice by common sense and retribution.
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    You shoot my kid I dont care how long it takes

    I will find you and shoot you in the back, face whatever!
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    I probably would have done the same thing. If you shot my kid in fromt of me. I probably would have tried to shoot all of them and worry about the law later.
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    Well, would you leave a wounded child you were with (family/friend whatever) and chase down the BG and THEN shoot them?

    That's going beyond the scope of what most, myself included, would conclude as acceptable. In most cases. The reality is, I don't have all of the information here, and I don't know why the father did what he did.

    Had the father shot the BG without chasing him, then that would be cut and dry. While not prudent, I can see how the adrenalin rush can make you do certain things.

    I'm not nominating the guy for Father of the year, but I can hope he learns from this and makes better choices in the future.

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    This one sounds like the dad did not do a great job.
    Correct. The bad guy lived.

    I'm not nominating the guy for Father of the year, but I can hope he learns from this and makes better choices in the future.
    I hope he becomes a better shot.
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