wow NY turns on NYPD

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    wow NY turns on NYPD

    ran across this and figured i would share. I think its kinda sad, and reenforces the "Avoid NY" statements.

    Ex-cop fights life sentence in bizarre murder case - CNN.com
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    That just goes to show ya ------- don't live in NY!!
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    That's seriously screwed up.

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    Even a sworn off duty Officer defending his Dad from an attack with a deadly weapon gets shafted by the very system he swore to serve.In Tx they would have given him a medal.
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    Sombody should take a bat to the judge and jury! Might give them a proper perspective.
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    Seems like enough from the outside for a re-trial to me. JMHO
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    It seems strange that cops would go after one of there own like that. I understand the idea of filling in missing details by repeated questioning, but at some point it becomes coercion. To pick up someone for questioning everyday like this is obvious harassment. This was a witness who was cooperating all along. This is what I would expect from the mafia, not people sworn to uphold the law. Isn't it against the law to try to influence a potential witness? It sure looks like politics instead of justice. Hopefully he'll win an appeal or re-trial & finally be released. Someone needs to go after public servants who twist the system while using peoples lives as political fodder.

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    It's not like I would have ever gone to NY anyway, now I won't even look at a travel brochure of the place.
    Never been there, never going...what a 'crock'.
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    They eat their young there.
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    This is so wrong! I cannot understand how they could do to him something like that.
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    Wow. I'm sure this stuff ONLY happens in NY and NEVER happens any where else
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGSAM View Post
    Wow. I'm sure this stuff ONLY happens in NY and NEVER happens any where else
    You're right, illinois. Yep sums it up
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    I don't understand the prosecutors' claim that Charles (the dead guy) was using the bat for self-defense.
    It would seem that if Charles had the time and ability to open his trunk and retrieve the bat, he had the time and ability to open his car door and leave.
    Of course, we don't have access to what the jury heard. But on the face of it, I think DiGuglielmo got a very bad deal here.
    And I would bet that NY's open hostility toward firearms played a role. (Unlike evil guns, bats aren't really a deadly threat.)
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    This is one of those cases which leaves you with more questions than answers. Who Say's charges and convictions can't be politically and racially motivated. The witnesses coerced by the local DA for what? I suppose the DA wanted this off duty cop to wait until his Father had half his head caved in prior to shooting the guy! Thats utter BS! The bad guy raised a bat and was stopped before the deed was done! Nobody wants to rock the racial boat, thats why a good guy sits behind bars! If anyone read the entire story it would make you sick! Total injustice...
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    This thread runs elsewhere. Anyway, I have lived near there. Been in Dobbs Ferry many times. Been in White Plains many times, and have relatives who live there. I've recently eaten in an Italian restaurant right across from the court house.

    The whole episode is full of undertones of racial and ethnic issues, and both sides to the fight seem to have had "attitude."
    This wasn't an instance of 4 "nice" fellows getting into it.

    Three on one is called disparity of force and justified the bat. You don't gang up on someone over a stupid parking issue.

    The dead guy being a fighter, mitigated his need for the bat too. But he still was faced with 3 on 1 disparity. Mutual combat takes away the SD argument.

    Cops don't get indicted in that geographic local. They don't get convicted. They just don't. So something more was going on.

    I think Pirro may have overcharged. I think the dead guy was a jerk. I also think he was set upon by 3 guys who thought they were tough guys and were going to "show him" for parking in the wrong place and being a jerk. I find it impossible to believe that at a minimum vile names and words and threats weren't directed at the dead man before the fight.

    There is plenty of wrong to go around in this case. There is wrong it seems on prosecutor, police, dead, guy, and the combatants. And on the press.

    As far as I know even stand your ground laws don't protect you when you are an initiator of a confrontation and continue that confrontation without serious effort to deescalate.

    The men could have retreated to their restaurant (stayed inside to begin with), called the police, and given the plate number. Once they decided to directly challenge him---something they wouldn't have done if they didn't perceive of themselves as "tough guys" backed by a cop and a gun--- they gave up their SD defense.

    Notable too is that no one states that the man convicted ever identified himself as a cop. Possibly he was outside of his jurisdiction. (I don't know if NYC cops can carry outside NYC or have any authority outside in NY State.)
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