Gecko45 like mess up & or manslaughter/ shoplifting gone bad
I'm not posting links to the original news story because the two sources I have are both entirely too sketchy and our police too closed mouthed, perhaps. These events happened near me yesterday afternoon.
A man was shot dead at a Walmart. He is alleged to have been a shoplifter, and maybe he was, I suppose investigators will need to establish that.
Loss control people, according to one account, attempted to get him to a "private room" which he resisted.
Exactly what happened next, and precisely where, is not clear from our news stories.
It is alleged that the alleged shoplifter while resisting going to a private area fought with the store personnel and then pulled a gun.
It is fact that the shoplifter was shot and died shortly later in the hospital.
The news sources are reporting that he was shot with his own gun wrestled away. (Not sure I believe that).
OK-- Here are the important issues for discussion, keeping in mind that the situation is not precisely
Is it believable that he was shot with his own gun, and not by an armed Gecko?
Would it be reasonable to shoot him after wrestling his gun from him?
Keep in mind it was 3 or 4 on 1. Was there any basis left for use of lethal force?
Was it reasonable for store loss control to attempt to force him to a private room? (Need a TX specific answer).
For those who are familiar with Walmart, is it policy to disallow loss prevention folks from carrying?
Again for those familiar with Walmart, is it policy to physically force a suspected shoplifter to a private room? (Texas specific answer is needed.)
And yet again, for those familiar with Walmart, would we expect there to be good video of what happened? The reporting is somewhat vague as to whether the shooting actually happened in the room or on the way to the room. I don't think the police can piece this together without full video, should we expect that such exists?
My take on things, given the tiny information available, is that "something ain't right" with the story
being told. For one thing, the newsy mentioned that one of the men involved was a new hire in
loss prevention. My gut is telling me these folks screwed up and violated store policy and maybe TX law, and perhaps were not correctly trained. But that is just my guess and speculation.
And what about an innocent--since this is mere allegation that the dead guy was shoplifting, might
there have been justified presentation of his weapon? (I know we have discussed similar before, but maybe it is worth going through some of that again.) Even if he was a shoplifter of some petty change item, would he still be able to claim SD if he was the one who succeeded in doing the shooting? Its Walmart after all, no felony theft of an expensive item--and no weapon used in the theft.
Right now the newsy and TV are portraying this as "shoplifter got shot, " and therefore too bad for him.
I'm thinking that is perhaps the essence of what occurred, but that there may have been poor decision
making/policy that add to manslaughter.
ADDED LATER-- Whole story has come out. BG got what he deserved. He pulled a gun on loss prevention folks and when that was taken he pulled a knife. LP shot him with his own gun.