This is a discussion on Shooting at shoplifters within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; What would be considered the difference between a shoplifter and a looter? I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a looter, yet would not shoot (even though ...
What would be considered the difference between a shoplifter and a looter? I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a looter, yet would not shoot (even though they sure deserve it) a shoplifter. Either way, I'd be in deep hillary.
Any thoughts on how much liability the store owner was exposing himself to since he knew his employee was keeping a gun on the premises? There's been a lot of discussion about carrying at work. Here's an example of what happens when that gets out of hand and probably why few employers welcome the idea.
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It was an emergency side exit that by fire code can not be locked, except for entering.
I'm betting he will only get a smack on the wrist.
If I was the owner I would install an entry with double doors with electric locks after entering outer door must wait in entry way to get buzzed into store,same to get out and if being robbed be able to trap the guy between the doors with everything made out of bullet resistant glass,When thieves realize they can't just walk in and run out they will look for an easier score
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I will use as a example my son in law. He came here from Belgium when he was in his 30s and after jumping through all the hoops for almost 20 years is now a Citizen.
He is not a bad guy, just different. I don't know if this is the case with most European immigrants, but he just thinks he knows better than most Americans on most subjects (yeah, I know, but then I didn't pick him). He thinks he can get involved in a argument between others and stop it with just his "good heart" and "good intentions".
This has gotten him into problems like when he thought he would get in between a bickering husband and wife and got a knife drawn on him. He had to make a fast run for the hills.
As my daughter says, "I can't stop him from this foolishness, I can only put distance between us and make sure his life insurance is paid up. After all I have a child to raise."
The best was when a rogue Amish farm teen decided to go drinking on New Years. I believe he fell in with bad company. He showed up at a after party breakfast at the local country club and started causing problems and got thrashed. My son in law went over to render aide (which he knows nothing about) by keeping the kid flat when the kid's nose was bleeding. If you know first aide...you know keeping such a person on their back is like "water boarding" them with their own blood.
The Amish youth (whose size was HUGE) took his legs and kicked the "helpful" Belgium in the chest across the room....breaking several ribs. You would think that would stop him, but nope.
I am afraid that if he had a CCW he would try to get involved in more thinking he had the method to stop it. He would either have the gun taken from him and used on him OR shoot someone that didn't need to be shot. Thank goodness he doesn't seem interested in firearms. His adult son (who lives here now) and his 9 year old daughter are not like him. The son has a weapon being the manager of a liqueur store in a college town and has the training and common sense lacking in "papa". The 9 year old is in training now for hunting with Grandpa. She is looking forward to her first deer (She loves the deer sausage).
We don't and won't encourage the son in law with fire arms for his and society's good.
You see my point. Not everyone should have a gun or CCW. I am quite sure they are not the majority (at least I HOPE not).
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Yep, sure made a mistake shooting at a fleeing unarmed petty thief. He should have saved his vigilantism for the next guy that stuck a gun in his face. Then he would have been justified. Blocking the side fire exit would be a fire code violation. Installing doors that you had to be buzzed out, would also be a fire code violation "I believe". Nice thought tho.
If the lady that followed, got the tag and called it in, then they should have no problem finding the perps.
Well, I guess now, he won't be able to get a permit, probably not even purchase firearms, if those are felonies.
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Yep, not too smart and reckless.
If he planned to scare, he could have at least had a starter pistol with blanks.
I didn't think a carry permit was needed for a legally owned gun kept in a business.
It should be legal to shoot thieves.
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Not a wise decision on the shop owner's part...could be costly for him.
sgb's idea is worth looking into...
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