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    Bad: Good Samaritan shot

    So, you see a young girl being harassed in front of the middle school by a couple of boys.

    Gonna stop the car and get out to intervene?

    This guy did, and got shot for his trouble.

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    It could be worse!
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    The good guys don't always win. It is important to keep that in mind.
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    always approach trouble as if they are carrying
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    Well, I feel bad for the guy, but it could have been much worse.
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    I wonder what information the girl getting assalted gave police? This story seems to have alot of questions yet to be asked, much less answered.

    Our samaritan did the right thing in helping this young girl out, but with the interviewed resident saying that gunfire is a 'normal' occurance there (a bullet hole in her home from a previous shooting....?!?), I'd been MUCH more cautious about getting out of the car. A cell phone call to 911 and a reasonably safe distence as to maintain a LOS (*) of the 'kids' until the police arrived seems to be a much more tactically sound approach to intervining in that situation. Of course, I'm armchair quarterbacking from the comfort of my desk.............

    NOT getting out of your car seems to be a reoccuring 'theme' in some recent posts here..................



    edit: (*) LOS = Line Of Sight (after 21 years in the military I forget acronyms arn't the best means of communicating..........)
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    My wife would ALWAYS go to help even if I had just relayed this story to her. She's just like that. Usually it works out, rarely not so much. Me, I'm a "drive on by, not my problem, might call 911" kind of guy most of the time, but I might even have stopped in this case. The result though would have been two way fire.
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    What a shame that you even have to think this way now a days if you want to get involved and do the right thing! 'Back in the day' just an adult stopping their car would have made the kids run away; now you have to worry about them shooting back.
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    It makes one almost afraid to help someone, especially if a domestic assualt is occuring. If you
    try to intervene without a firearm, you run the risk of what happened in this case. If you pull
    your firearm in a case like this, in many jurisdictions you would have a hard time defending
    your actions. It's sad that you can't help innocent people who need it in today's world without
    physical and legal risk being involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mano3 View Post
    What a shame that you even have to think this way now a days if you want to get involved and do the right thing! 'Back in the day' just an adult stopping their car would have made the kids run away; now you have to worry about them shooting back.
    Society has changed a LOT,,,,or maybe just the players.....Not a clear line between good kids and bad kids anymore.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mano3 View Post
    What a shame that you even have to think this way now a days if you want to get involved and do the right thing! 'Back in the day' just an adult stopping their car would have made the kids run away; now you have to worry about them shooting back.


    ^^What is a shame is that^^^^^^


    while seeing this take place one would assume that the "nice boys" doling out the beat-down were actually attending the school.

    I OTOH would would recognize bottom-feeders when I see them and would expect thug behavior, and prepare for the worst.

    You are correct; what a ridiculous world we live in, where boys , on a daily basis are acting like rabid animals,
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    walking at dusk into a Movies 17 and i see a young lady hemmed in by 4 dudes at her car door ( its closed).
    her plate is DEB 82 and she looks 25ish so i hold back my wife and call out----

    "hey debbie, i thought you were going to meet us inside. are you bringing these friends with you?"

    i had seen all their hands moving, nothing in them; and they l o o k at me and she scurries on over to me
    --that was one very relieved young lady and i kept my hand in my pocket in case they got bold.

    -----------------point im trying for is if you are going to come to anothers aid
    be aweare--there is a lot going on in a small amount of time and little, if any, room for error.
    her having a personalized plate made it possible to do as i did
    otherwise id of had to send my wife inside to get help while i tried to be invisable and observe.

    i rather think they would have seen me and things would have gone downhill fast from there.
    i believe it would have been more so for them...
    but a fight avoided is a fight won.

    -----------the story the OP put forth has little information but the guy
    getting out of the car did not deploy with a very well thought out plan
    and suffered for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The good guys don't always win. It is important to keep that in mind.
    Problem is, doing nothing is always a win for the scum bags.

    That said, I would still be very careful about getting involved. And even more careful about the actions I took. NC is not the easiest place to defend a 3rd party if it comes to deadly force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    Our samaritan did the right thing in helping this young girl out, but with the interviewed resident saying that gunfire is a 'normal' occurance there (a bullet hole in her home from a previous shooting....?!?), I'd been MUCH more cautious about getting out of the car. A cell phone call to 911 and a reasonably safe distence as to maintain a LOS (*) of the 'kids' until the police arrived seems to be a much more tactically sound approach to intervining in that situation. Of course, I'm armchair
    Saber (a frequent participant here who is a retired LEO and I think is just gone from here
    temporarily) once posted about a situation. He basically pulled his car to where he could
    watch, see how things develop, 911 it, or intervene if necessary.

    He gave sound advice, and I agree with what you, goldshellback, wrote.
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    This occurred here in my hometown of Omaha, NE and yup, the neighborhood up there is "rough" to put it nicely. I would be wary of trying to be the good samaritan in any neighborhood but in that one in particular, I would be calling the police and being a good witness. The North end of town is where the majority of violence occurs in the city between black gangs and I avoid it at all costs.
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    Yep, most of us think alike. In this day and age, you have to second guess your natural instincts to help someone. I personally do my best to avoid bad neighborhoods and if I find myself in a shady neighborhood unexpectedly, me, myself, my shadow and my reflection, all of us mind our P's and Q's. For all I know it's a gangsta gal getting jumped into the gang or a drug debt. Watching gang stories like "Gangland" and Locked Up Boston, LA, etc. etc., gang kids as young as 10 years old are carrying pistols these days.

    I can't begin to imagine a child or young teen pulling a gun on me. One thing would be for sure, there would definitely be hesitation on my part.
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