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    Good - Motel guest shoots, kills robbery suspect (Bonus Video)

    Police: Motel guest heard window break before grabbing gun

    Published On: May 11 2012 06:04:15 AM CDT
    Updated On: May 11 2012 1205 PM CDT



    Question from me: In the last line of the article below, it says the case will be referred to a Grand Jury. Is this normal for TX? Do they do this for every shooting, regardless of the situation?

    HOUSTON - A man was killed as he broke into a room at a northwest Houston extended-stay motel Thursday night.

    .................................................

    Detectives said a man broke a window and then broke down the door to the room.

    The motel guest grabbed his gun and shot the man several times, investigators said.

    The suspect ................... died. His name has not been released.

    Other guests ........ said they had never seen the man before. They said he was yelling about a woman named Nicole.

    "He was banging on several doors, but eventually he got to the wrong door," guest Ricky Herness said. "He said, 'Nicole, I know you got Nicole in there. Let Nicole out of there.' He was cussing, emphatic and was delirious."

    Herness said the motel guest whose room was broken into warned the man.

    "This guy is like a pit bull, fighting and mad," Herness said. "(The motel guest) was hiding behind their bed saying, 'Don't come in here, sir. I have a gun.' Thank God they had a gun. No telling what he would have done."

    The motel guest and a woman inside the room were not hurt. Investigators have not said if the woman inside the room was the woman the man was apparently trying to find.

    The case will be referred to a grand jury.


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    One of the responses from the story in the link.
    Looking for the slightest reason to shoot at someone is also uncool. The man couldn't be too darn delirious not to see that this so-called Nicole was not inside. There are exceptions to just firing at someone unarmed. If he had a weapon or intented to make a move to hurt any inside I see its okay to shoot. All he said was I have a gun and will shoot you? Couldn't he just yelled out along with his woman NO Nicole in here buddy and spare this maybe drunk guys life? Rather than use him as ex cuse to kill?...just an opinion not making any final judgements. Nicole could have been a setup woman who got him intoxicated and took all his things and all money he had on him? Who really needed to get shot then? I'm sure the hotel and surveilance cams reveal who this dubbed Nicole is..Strange stuff goes on at these hotels with pimps and their hookers..maybe he busted into the right room? As he may have heard her walk out to another room in the hotel? Could happen.
    This guy could be on the Grand Jury. Think about it.

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    All shootings go to the GJ as standard procedure. No big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    One of the responses from the story in the link.


    This guy could be on the Grand Jury. Think about it.

    Michael
    People like this amaze me. They want you to confirm the bad guy is unarmed and ask them to fill out a quick questionnaire on if they intend to harm you before you defend yourself.
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    The castle doctrine extends to your car BUT it also extends to your hotel rooms or any other place you stay. For this reason I donít understand why some hotels have gun buster signs because under law they can only ban guns from the hotel lobby area and front desk

    and yes it is standard for then to refer shootings to a grand jury; it puts the cops on the right so they don't have a case like FL

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    The castle doctrine extends to your car BUT it also extends to your hotel rooms or any other place you stay. For this reason I don’t understand why some hotels have gun buster signs because under law they can only ban guns from the hotel lobby area and front desk

    and yes it is standard for then to refer shootings to a grand jury; it puts the cops on the right so they don't have a case like FL
    How does castle law effect whether or not you are allowed to carry on private property? Not saying you're wrong just that I have never heard that said before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    How does castle law effect whether or not you are allowed to carry on private property? Not saying you're wrong just that I have never heard that said before.

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    Because you rent a room and you are physically staying in that room the castle doctrine extend to that room as it does to your car and the management can't ban your right to self protection. Some have posted on here that there where gun buster signs in hotel lobby and have asked if they could do it and the answer is yes TO the lobby but not to your room.

    (1) Knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:
    (A) Unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor’s occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;

    http://www.rc123.com/texas_castle_doctrine.html

    just an FYI this is the law in texas and might very in your state so take a minute to check it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlr1m View Post
    How does castle law effect whether or not you are allowed to carry on private property? Not saying you're wrong just that I have never heard that said before.

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    Any place you are lodging in is considered your temporary home. Thus, the castle doctrine applies.
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    Nicole, you come out of there now! He was delirious alright, he was definitely stupid.
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    I'm just curious why they are calling it an attempted robbery?

    Clearly the man was looking for Nicole. The report doesn't mention making any demands for money. No doubt, castle doctrine justifies shooting a deranged mad man breaking into your motel room, and the forced entry pretty much justifies the response... I don't have a problem with that, but to call it a robbery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkhmAsylm View Post
    Any place you are lodging in is considered your temporary home. Thus, the castle doctrine applies.
    Understand, but does that take away the right of the business owner to create policies for his property? In my State of Oklahoma you have a right to use deadly force to protect yourself anywhere you have a legal right to be. This has not prevented businesses from posting their properties off limits to weapons.

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    This scares the holy hell out of me, I work at a hotel (A very nice hotel that has great clients) but I always worry about people that call in looking for someone like "I'm looking for Jane Doe, I can't remember her room number can you tell me what it is?" and when you tell them no they get all sorts of pissed.

    Although I'm not suppose to carry at work I do, under my suit and coat they cant tell. Plus we don't have a gun buster sign on the front door.
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    His first mistake was trying to get Nichole back. A man needs to know when to cut his losses, especially when the opportunity to do so easily presents itself.
    Last edited by Arborigine; May 13th, 2012 at 03:06 AM.

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    It seems to me that if you are shot while you are breaking into a dwelling of complete strangers (and apprehended at the scene) then you should not be called a "suspect".
    To be called a "suspect" it seems like the person should at least flee the scene and be caught at another location.
    "Here is the fresh bleeding body of the guy that broke into this house (whatever) and was shot by someone inside, we suspect he was the burglar" defies logic.
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    1. NEVER try to have reasonable dialogue with a belligerent drunk. There is NO upside.
    2. Never open your hotel door to anyone without first verifying their identity and purpose of the visit.

    The quoted comment from some clown (who, yes, could be on the Grand Jury) reveals blissful ignorance of reality and too many years internalizing TV movies. Protecting yourself from a threat in a hotel room is not an "ex cuse" to shoot someone. I'll bet this idiot thinks a defender should only shoot them in the leg or fire a warning shot first. BTW - what exactly is an "Ex cuse?" Does that imply someone used to be a cuse and they aren't any more?
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