Carrying at work...and you're a school superintendent

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    Carrying at work...and you're a school superintendent

    The background story on this is that the school superintendent carried a gun holstered on his hip. He has a carry permit. As the prosecution stated, he pretty much knew the law and just chose to ignore it.

    Here's the surprising ending to the story...

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    Yeah, he knew the law and chose to ignore it. I'd like to think the jury was making a statement about the stupidity of the law forbidding CC permit holders not being allowed to carry on school property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlestone View Post
    Yeah, he knew the law and chose to ignore it. I'd like to think the jury was making a statement about the stupidity of the law forbidding CC permit holders not being allowed to carry on school property.
    Well, it's pretty obvious that if he had a carry permit and carried a gun, he intended to go armed. He didn't just accidentally carry to work. So, the jury chose to ignore that. It's a small town. The school resource officer refused to do anything about it. The sheriff testified in his defense. The prosecution had to do something because one of the parents complained and this was the end result.

    It does, however, set a precedent the next time the issue comes before a court. When I first read the story, before it went to the jury, I was sure the guy would get a felony conviction. This result was a pleasant surprise.

    However, before anyone else tries this, I should point out that your results may vary.
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    While I'm pleasantly surprised with the results, I hope this doesn't fool people into trying their luck.
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    Some of us value our lives over our jobs, and would be willing to take the lumps if they come.
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    Shoulda kept his mouth shut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon_volk View Post
    Shoulda kept his mouth shut.
    I'm not sure his mouth had all that much to do with it. From the news reports that I've read, I think he pretty much open carried. I could be wrong, but that was certainly my interpretation.
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    Always carry ,,,,, never tell. Forgot the last part.

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    Good on the jury.
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    Doesn't the "intent to go armed" mean he had intentions of using it? For instance in the case of a child who is bullied and brings a gun to school would have the intent to use the gun against those who had been harassing him/her. In this case he had a gun but made a reasonable case that he did not intend to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PB2 View Post
    Doesn't the "intent to go armed" mean he had intentions of using it? For instance in the case of a child who is bullied and brings a gun to school would have the intent to use the gun against those who had been harassing him/her. In this case he had a gun but made a reasonable case that he did not intend to use it.
    You are correct. Intent plays an important part, at least in this state.

    It is not illegal to carry a weapon. It is against the law to carry a weapon with the intent to go armed. If an individual carries a pistol without the intent of going armed he does not violate the law. Biggs v. State, 207 Tenn. 603, 341 S.W.2d 737, 1960 Sams v. State, 210 Tenn. 16, 356 S.W.2d 273, 1962.


    Without the intent or purpose of going armed there is no violation, and the mere carrying of a weapon does not deprive a defendant of the presumption of innocence. Cole v. State, 539 S.W.2d 46, (Tenn. Crim. App. 1976).



    Intent to go armed cannot be presumed from mere possession of a weapon and it is improper to instruct a jury regarding such a presumption. Liming v. State, 220 Tenn., 371, 382,417 S.W.2d 769, 774 (1967)
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    I may be misunderstanding legal terms here, but "intent to go armed" would seem to me to mean "intent to go (somewhere) while in possession of a weapon." Armed does mean in possession or control of a weapon, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by paaiyan View Post
    I may be misunderstanding legal terms here, but "intent to go armed" would seem to me to mean "intent to go (somewhere) while in possession of a weapon." Armed does mean in possession or control of a weapon, right?
    That's the way I would have thought, but apparently not. In the above situations,apparently you have to have the intent of actually using the weapon.

    If there is no intent on your part, and you just carry the weapon for the reason of your choice, then you have not violated the law.

    It's an interesting concept from a legal standpoint. It should be fun to watch how it plays out.
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    Intent to go armed...Mmmmm???

    I believe there was another confusing statement made years ago, "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is...
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    Hope he loses his permit. People just can't go around acting like obama and just ignore laws.

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