BAD: Armed thug robs 7-11's

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    BAD: Armed thug robs 7-11's

    If you watch the vid, this robbery goes down just like we all imagine it would.

    In total hindsight, if you were the (armed) customer, would you have moved off the X and drawn/fired? You can clearly see there is an opportunity.

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    Did he really say" they did what he said and no body got hurt and that's what we ultimately hope for"?? Wow......I would have knocked that stupid straight bill hat off his head via 9mm and the sunglasses.......wouldn't have been worth a darn. If you watch these videos you see that the crooks never have any situation awareness that most of us do. They give plenty of opportunities to draw and fire after exploding off the "x" and holding the gun sideways wouldn't have helped him at all.

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    Yep. As usual, you can see that the Bad Guy has too many areas of responsibility for one bad guy to cover. Here is the hard part to remember though.

    NEVER ASSUME THAT CUSTOMER IS NOT AN ACCOMPLICE!!!

    Always assume +1 bad guys, and that you have not seen the second (third) ones yet.

    Unless that woman is your best friend, she might just be the second robber waiting to see what you do. If you were the clerk and drew on the one known, did you think that she might have moved away to the side so as to get a clearer shot at you if you go for a gun?

    Always a hard call, I know. I guess you make your decisions, take your chances and roll the dice sometimes.
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    Not being able to hear exactly what he is saying and how he is saying it is a missing element of the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MotorCityGun View Post

    In total hindsight, if you were the (armed) customer, would you have moved off the X and drawn/fired? You can clearly see there is an opportunity.
    tough call,no one was hurt in this robbery but it's clear when the clerk hands over the tray,the suspect is looking down,removing the cash for quite a long time.it seems the (armed) customer would've had more then enough opportunity to draw and fire a couple shots before the suspect even knew what was happening..glad the clerk and customer were not hurt though.

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    An armed customer, with confidence, may have had the opportunity to send this guy into permanent retirement.
    One never knows if once the dirtbag got his money whether he would have done away with witnesses.
    That's a call only someone there could make.
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    He's described as 18 to 21 years-old. 5'8" to 6'1". It's believed he has an ear piercing and tattoos on his forearms.

    BOLO for a white guy, oh, I watched the video.

    It annoys me that the US Media has become so PC that the only race they will overtly identify is a White person in the reports.

    As for confronting him, after he got the register, he seemed to be dumb and happy and focused.

    I'm not a cop enforcing the law. I am a CCW enforcing my safety and sanity. Shoot - no shoot involves a lot more mental preparation, ahead of time, to know when not to shoot. He could have been waiving the gun, but had a very calm voice............. hard call.

    All I know is if ever presented with this or similar situations, I would not over react. And, I have been trained to over react (in an appropriate resonse).

    Hard call.
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    In total hindsight, if you were the (armed) customer, would you have moved off the X and drawn/fired? You can clearly see there is an opportunity.
    In that same situation with a deadly assailant directly threatening my own life and failing to pay attention a good portion of the time ... very likely, yes. As always, it would depend heavily on the specific details (what the assailant says/does, his behavior/agitation, whether he's unfocused and likely to miss the start of my defensive actions, the degree of risk of failure, the degree of risk of harming others, etc).
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    I am old and getting on the floor takes any opportunity for me to fight out of the situation, I just can't move or get back up anymore. So if I'm going to fight it's before getting on the floor. Since you can not hear what is said you have to assume. But it likes to me like he ordered her to the floor then took his eyes off her while she did it. If that be the case and the customer was me that would be when I made my move.

    I'm not there to save the stores money but his telling the customer to get on the floor would involve me in the fight and I would then act accordingly. Which would in most cases be to put him on the floor. All comes back to the saying "Don't mess with old men"
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    Depends on what my gut feelings told me. If I felt all he wanted was the money, let him have it. If I felt he was likely to decide not to leave witnesses the opportunities were there to end it.
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    Guess I am totally different on this? There is no way in heck I would lay on that floor and I wouldn't wait and give him a "chance" to see what he does. If you hesitate and he shows all the signs of "calm and focused on the money" and he suddenly turns and blows your head off.....guess what you lose. IMHO, if someone has a gun swinging it around demanding things, especially for me to get on the floor, in my opinion he immediately raised the bar to red and its fight or flight to me. I guess I have always been taught "you hesitate you die" and i want every advantage on my side including beating him to the trigger. Anyone agree with me on this?? There has to be someone!?

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    Matt, I think many of the posts have already shared your thoughts. Only some are saying you need to be in the situation to actually know what and how you will react at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Depends on what my gut feelings told me. If I felt all he wanted was the money, let him have it. If I felt he was likely to decide not to leave witnesses the opportunities were there to end it.

    ^^^^^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^



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    If the thug had just a knife or the ole' finger in the pocket routine, He MAY get a pass, but in this instance, depending on his attitude and demeanor, he might have been swiss cheese.
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