14 YO shot while setting fire to occupied home

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    This is a kid with some serious problems...this home owner should not be charged with anything, he was protecting his family.
    The little fire starter needs a long vacation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    This is a kid with some serious problems...this home owner should not be charged with anything, he was protecting his family.
    The little fire starter needs a long vacation.
    +1!!! Luckily in my state, arson is a justified shooting offense.
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    As well he should have been (shot). Dare attempt to take the lives of others, then you gotta appreciate that others might dare to refuse you ... particularly the victims in your cross hairs.

    Commit an adult crime, you deserve to be treated accordingly. Commit an attempt to erase life of innocents, you deserve to be treated accordingly. Kudos on the resident on doing what needed to be done. Shame on the little cretin for his lack of moral grounding. Shame on him and his family for failing to instill a sense of humanity in the little perp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8th ID View Post
    +1!!! Luckily in my state, arson is a justified shooting offense.
    We are lucky.

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    2. A person in possession or control of premises or a person who is licensed or privileged to be thereon is justified in using deadly force upon another person when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes it necessary to prevent an attempt by the other person to commit arson.

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    ^^ IMO, whether or not the "arson" wording is in the self-defense statutes, the reality is that torching a structure directly threatens the occupants and thus isn't materially different than someone putting a gun to your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    This is a kid with some serious problems...this home owner should not be charged with anything, he was protecting his family.
    The little fire starter needs a long vacation
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    As well he should have been (shot). Dare attempt to take the lives of others, then you gotta appreciate that others might dare to refuse you ... particularly the victims in your cross hairs.

    Commit an adult crime, you deserve to be treated accordingly. Commit an attempt to erase life of innocents, you deserve to be treated accordingly. Kudos on the resident on doing what needed to be done. Shame on the little cretin for his lack of moral grounding. Shame on him and his family for failing to instill a sense of humanity in the little perp.


    ^^^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^^^^


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    In response to the underlined above;

    Arsonist are deviants, just like sex/child molesters, in that their brain waves are not moving in the right direction.
    Its like a sickness that drives them.
    Cold and calculating comes to mind.

    Not trying to say the parents aren't somewhat at fault, but often, there is not a lot they could do, as they have a hard time picking up the signal that the arsonist is giving off.
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    I would like to punch the author in throat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericb327 View Post
    I would like to punch the author in throat!
    I'm assuming for all of the details the article mentions about the residence ... including address, first/last names of owners, specific occupations, type/description of vehicle, the fact the vehicle "sports" a NRA sticker, the fact the owners have a U.S. flag hanging outside. Seems pointless to me, too. They withheld identifying the little cretin. One would think simple decency would allow them (the media) to see that such details of the victims doesn't help anyone.
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    Gorham police said they believe they have identified all parties involved in the incident and do not believe there is any immediate danger from people involved.

    Whom do you suppose the police are referring too? The lone arsonist or the home owners?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    I'm assuming for all of the details the article mentions about the residence ... including address, first/last names of owners, specific occupations, type/description of vehicle, the fact the vehicle "sports" a NRA sticker, the fact the owners have a U.S. flag hanging outside. Seems pointless to me, too. They withheld identifying the little cretin. One would think simple decency would allow them to see that such details of the victims doesn't help anyone.
    You assume correct sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis1209 View Post
    Gorham police said they believe they have identified all parties involved in the incident and do not believe there is any immediate danger from people involved.

    Whom do you suppose the police are referring too? The lone arsonist or the home owners?
    Thinking outside the box for a moment ... The lone arsonist was the only cretin at the scene, apparently. Being 14yrs of age, it's not unthinkable that he's got homeys aware of his predilection, perhaps even involved (given the spate of area arson incidents). If such others exist, mightn't they (or copy-cats) now have what they need to commit further acts against these residents who just got the upper hand? At XYZ Mountainview road, the house with the black SUV with NRA stickers and a flag outside, photo attached. Gotta love the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oneshot View Post
    ^^^^^^YEP^^^^^^^^^^^


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    In response to the underlined above;

    Arsonist are deviants, just like sex/child molesters, in that their brain waves are not moving in the right direction.
    Its like a sickness that drives them.
    Cold and calculating comes to mind.

    Not trying to say the parents aren't somewhat at fault, but often, there is not a lot they could do, as they have a hard time picking up the signal that the arsonist is giving off.
    I'm saying that the so-called parents of the punk are more at fault than anyone else. He was "rewarded" at 11:45 P M - good parents don't allow their kids out running the streets at midnight. He needed to be home - in bed, where kids belong at that time of night. Sue the parents - if that's possible - and have the kid permanently removed from the worthless home (after he serves time in Juvenal detention).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geezer View Post
    I'm saying that the so-called parents of the punk are more at fault than anyone else. He was "rewarded" at 11:45 P M - good parents don't allow their kids out running the streets at midnight. He needed to be home - in bed, where kids belong at that time of night. Sue the parents - if that's possible - and have the kid permanently removed from the worthless home (after he serves time in Juvenal detention).
    Maybe he snuck out?

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    Headline should have read VIOLENT CRIMINAL'S CAREER ENDED EARLY WHEN SHOT BY INTENDED VICTIM. The newspaper author is a complete wet pants weenie. I'd like to see the authors address and personal details published.
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