Off-Duty Cop Hits 4-Year-Old Girl With Motorcycle then shoots dad

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    The guy should have been supervising his daughter, which would have prevented the whole thing. But at the same time, you guys seem a little harsh. His kid got hit with a motorcycle. He got pissed off. It doesn't seem that outlandish.

    What if the cop was speeding? If he was going 15 mph over, then this whole argument changes, and I say he deserved a beating.
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    Well, that's the beauty of a society with law and order. If he was speeding he would be punished for it according to his actions and the laws he broke. You don't get to decide the punishment for a crime or decide who does and doesn't deserve a beating. Deciding to dish out "street justice" for things you don't like might not end well.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    The guy should have been supervising his daughter, which would have prevented the whole thing. But at the same time, you guys seem a little harsh. His kid got hit with a motorcycle. He got pissed off. It doesn't seem that outlandish.

    What if the cop was speeding? If he was going 15 mph over, then this whole argument changes, and I say he deserved a beating.
    The argument doesn't change. The cop is laying on the ground with a broken leg trying to help the little girl. So you'd give him a beating before helping your own child?
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    The guy got what he deserved. If he would have been more concerned for his daughter instead of fighting he would still be alive.
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    Seems Mr. Middleton bit off more than he could chew this time.

    Prayers for the Officer and little girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    The guy should have been supervising his daughter, which would have prevented the whole thing. But at the same time, you guys seem a little harsh. His kid got hit with a motorcycle. He got pissed off. It doesn't seem that outlandish.

    What if the cop was speeding? If he was going 15 mph over, then this whole argument changes, and I say he deserved a beating.
    The little girl had an 18 yo with her and they crossed the plane of traffic. Obviously they didn't see the man and stepped out in front of him. My 40 years of riding you can never prepare for that, the dad picked the wrong person to victimize

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    I have to admit it is not easy to control anger in this kind of situation. I watched my friends 8 year old get hit by a truck and I think the only thing that kept me from going after the driver was my training, I defaulted to patient care. My friend didnt hesistate to be by his kids side either.

    It helped that the police station was right down the road.

    I hope this dosnt violate the forum rules, I never actually broke any laws.
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    Bad situation turned worse, then worser, then even more worse.

    Interestingly, I read this post just after reading a post about a guy with a CCW whose gun fell out in a movie theater, and somehow discharged into his bum. Then there's this officer who bails on his bike hard enough to break a leg and a shoulder, yet his weapon stays put until it needed to come out.

    Hmmmmm....

    edit> here's the link to the post i mentioned: BAD: Dude at a movie theater drops gun, shoots himself in the butt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    The guy should have been supervising his daughter, which would have prevented the whole thing. But at the same time, you guys seem a little harsh. His kid got hit with a motorcycle. He got pissed off. It doesn't seem that outlandish.

    What if the cop was speeding? If he was going 15 mph over, then this whole argument changes, and I say he deserved a beating.
    It appears he doesn't share your sentiment.

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    The self defense claim sounds very similar to the Zimmerman's self defense claim. Not saying it wasn't self defense but I wonder what would be happening if the cop wasn't a cop? Off duty, he should be treated the same as any citizen with know special treatment then it wouldn't have a possible bad appearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Good shoot,he's lucky he was legally able to carry a gun,any other citizen wouldn't have been so lucky,that may be why Dad thought he had a free pass to a beating and then got his just reward
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    The guy should have been supervising his daughter, which would have prevented the whole thing. But at the same time, you guys seem a little harsh. His kid got hit with a motorcycle. He got pissed off. It doesn't seem that outlandish.

    What if the cop was speeding? If he was going 15 mph over, then this whole argument changes, and I say he deserved a beating.
    The biker laid down his bike to minimize damage to jaywalkers and suffered a broken leg and more as a result, then tried to render aid. PO'd is one thing, but where's the "take care of my baby girl" come first thing? The dead guy was more about being "dissed" and less about true love and care for his daughter. That's what's outlandish.
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    I feel very sorry for the officer. The decisions he made will haunt him forever. How could he have prevented the accident, were there other options to deadly force, why was he even there? I think he did pretty good from what I have read. Bless him and the little girl. Hope both recover quickly. A thing like this could happen to any of us.

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    laying your bike down to where you have no control of it, versus hard braking and steering away ... ??? really ... laying it down was idiotic. I understand the father's anger, and his passion at that moment to put some retribution on the guy he saw riding the motorcycle. Obviously from the report, the officer was not in uniform .... and "says" ... he identified himself, and even if he did... I can see Dad not caring. Daughter was supervised crossing the street, the 18 yr old.

    I don't know how bad the beating was, to say if he was justified in shooting the father or not.......
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    With such an unreasonable attitude and the fact that he was more concerned about beating on the man who happened to run into his kid - who was running in traffic - than tending to his daughter's injuries, the daughter and his family (and the rest of us) are better off without him. That's my opinion.
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