Off-Duty Cop Hits 4-Year-Old Girl With Motorcycle then shoots dad
This is a discussion on Off-Duty Cop Hits 4-Year-Old Girl With Motorcycle then shoots dad within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by Thunder71
As far as your comment on biker negligence, I for one never said that - but to try and make it ...
August 16th, 2012 10:52 AM
I went back to the article and re-read. I missed this the first time I read it; "in order not to strike the girl directly, the cop jumped off his motorcycle, pulling it down on its side on the pavement. "
Originally Posted by Thunder71
I stand corrected. That was a stupid/negligent thing to do (but only a seasoned biker would know that). Please disregard my tirade above.
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August 16th, 2012 11:06 AM
How to Fall or Lay Down the Bike
The only possible time where it might be a better idea to purposely end up on the ground is when it's better than the alternative, like going over a guardrail down a cliff or into the middle of a ten-car pile-up. Once you lay down a bike, you have absolutely no control over where you will end up.
He may have believed, rightly or wrongly, he had no alternative.
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August 16th, 2012 11:16 AM
The article says:
Originally Posted by WHEC724
That is not an accidental fall on a slick road as you describe, but intentionally "laying it down" and that would generally be incorrect operation of a motorcycle in an emergency stop. Lots of folks have been riding for decades without ever learning how to properly avoid a collision. Heck, some are afraid to use the front brake, which ought to the the MAIN brake. We don't know for sure, but it appears that he might have avoided hitting the girl with better riding skills. My main point in bringing it up in the first place was in case anyone on this forum thinks "laying it down" is the way to avoid a collision. If anyone thinks that, then I recommend they take a MSF motorcycle safety course. Sounds like that cop could use it. Lots of folks on this forum think gun safety training is a good idea and would avoid mishaps--it's the same thing for motorcycles.
In order not to strike the girl directly, the cop jumped off his motorcycle, pulling it down on its side on the pavement. However, the motorcycle skidded and flipped, hitting the 4-year-old girl and her 18-year-old cousin, John Passley.
EDIT: I see WHEC724 responded while I was typing this. "Previous tirade" disregarded. But you don't have to be a seasoned rider to know how to ride safely; just take a safety course. Cheers.
August 16th, 2012 12:03 PM
I echo the sentiments of others; who does not help their child rather than beat up the person who hurt them. Priorities fool!
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August 16th, 2012 12:28 PM
I disagree with that statement in one respect. I had to lay my 750 down when a flat bed truck stopped short in front of me due to faulty tail lights, thanks to my quick thinking the only injury was to my pride and some scuffed up paint and chrome. My bike was logged up under the rear axle of the truck, and if I hadn't laid it down, I probably would have been seriously hurt. I rode bikes most of my life up until just a few years ago. During that time I avoided a few close calls with my ability to handle the machine through breaking and even a quick burst of gas if need be. One thing that's not clear and could be missing. The operator may have just flat out panicked and hit the rear brake and the tail end swung around resulting in the bike completely laying down and sliding into the child; but who knows. I agree with folks sentiments regarding the armchair yada yada, but the meat and potatoes of this event was the father getting wacked out and trying to do grave bodily injury to the officer over something the officer/operator would have surly avoided if at all possible.
Originally Posted by Ransom
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August 16th, 2012 02:42 PM
I hear ya. As OD* quoted above, "The only possible time where it might be a better idea to purposely end up on the ground is when it's better than the alternative." Glad you survived it with minimal injury and damage.
Originally Posted by gottabkiddin
August 16th, 2012 03:51 PM
But everybody else who is saying "good shoot" wasn't there to see the entire scene, either. That is my point.
Originally Posted by gottabkiddin
Some times you have to take care of your own business instead of filing a police report.
I'm also not saying the police officer was in the wrong. If he thought his life was in jeopardy, then he had to shoot the guy. I get it.
I just think it sucks that this guy was just minding his own business, sees his daughter get hit by a motorcycle and ends up getting killed because of it.
There isn't enough in the article for people to call him a thug and to say he got what he deserved. I've never seen a cop car drive the speed limit. What if the cop was driving around recklessly because he has a get out of jail free card in his wallet?
The situation was unfortunate.
August 16th, 2012 04:21 PM
I have been in a number of accidents and not one have I ever started punching the other person out and had my friend help; this is what thugs do and instead of tending to his daughter he chose to hit the other person (police officer or not). Remember this daughter and cousin were crossing against traffic and failed to check and see if it was clear or chose to ignore the oncoming traffic
Originally Posted by Cold Shot
August 16th, 2012 04:25 PM
Well, at least the officer was able to defend himself, unlike the rest of ILL. If you look at the pic in the article the man to the left of our loving daddy, looks to be rolling something. Either way, this incident sucks for all involved.
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August 16th, 2012 10:32 PM
I feel that if the officer had been speeding, he would have had no time to take any action at all, and would have run over and killed the girl outright. He did the best he could in a bad situation, Dad got what he deserved.
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August 16th, 2012 11:05 PM
Ummm...shouldn't the 18 year old watching the girl maybe waited for the light until it was safe to cross the street?
Would have avoided the whole thing.
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August 16th, 2012 11:31 PM
Dad should have beat the 18 year old.
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