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FYI: NYC is the safest of the large cities in the country. I think it has been for 5 or more years - whatever the opinion of the Mayor that is a fact. It used be a national joke for high crime on Johnny Carson and other shows up to ten-fifteen years ago, remember? If Johnny was alive today he's have to ditch half his material!
(he was a great one, Carson)
"There is a secret pride in every human heart that revolts at tyranny. You may order and drive an individual, but you cannot make him respect you." William Hazlitt (1778 - 1830)
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"Violence is seldom the answer, but when it is the answer it is the only answer".
"A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves".
Tragic human event, especially when the "gun grabbers" will use this opportunity to try to further gut the 2nd Amendment.
Having a carry permit and a handgun would not have helped those innocent bystanders. A bulletproof vest might have though.
The only person that shot any bystanders was the NYPD.
"Lets Be Careful Out There!"
UPDATE 8-Two dead, 8 wounded in gunfire near NY's Empire State Building
* Wounded may have been hit by police fire*
Gunman had been dismissed from job a year ago
* Latest mass shooting rekindles debate about gun control
By Lily Kuo and Chris Francescani
NEW YORK, Aug 24 (Reuters) - An out-of-work fashion designer fatally shot a former co-worker near the Empire State Building on Friday and then was killed in a blaze of gunshots by police, stunning tourists and commuters outside of one of New York's most popular landmarks.
Eight bystanders were wounded, possibly all of them by police bullets, though none of their injuries were life-threatening, police said.
Officials said that women's accessories designer Jeffrey Johnson, 58, had been laid off from Hazan Imports a year ago and that while working there, had been locked in a dispute with the victim. Police said Johnson had claimed the victim had failed to sell enough of his creations and held a grudge.
Investigators were attempting to determine whether Johnson shot anyone beyond his initial target. All eight of the surviving victims could have been hit by the two police officers who shot at Johnson, officials said.
If it's true the 8 wounded were shot by police, they can't call this a mass shooting.
did anyone notice the Bloomberg travels with his own personal folding Podium or what ever you call that
platform that stand infront ....how vein..I used to live in NYC its not even the same city anymore
It's not clear if the bystanders were hit by misses, or shrapnel from misses, or through-and-through shots, or a combination thereof.
What is clear is that NYPD officers need to get to the range more than once per year. 2 officers, 16 shots, only 7 hits. From 8 feet away.
The good news is that the shot bystanders have, in effect, won the lottery. Bet NYC is going to pay all of them millions. Cha-ching...
The number of people killed because they didn't have "enough gun" is dwarfed by those who had none at all.
So just how many were hit by 9mm rounds......should be easy for their attourny's to know if in deed they were shot by NYPD.
To engage at a few yards and wound 8 innocents is neglegence at best....IMO.