This is a discussion on UGLY:Bicyclist-shot-after-colliding-with-pickup-truck within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by LibertyAndJstic My information comes from his attorney. I would say that its safe to say that it is his position in the ...
But try to understand why the majority of us are here in this forum. First, we aren't here to hand out judgement calls. Second, it's derogatory to jump out and call everyone here the 'choir'.
For the most part, IMHO, we are here to learn from other experiences and input how to be a responsible and law abiding gun carrying citizen. Just because we carry a gun doesn't mean that we defend every instance where one is used.
No one can really know just how they will react in a given situation. But we all hope that we do so in accordance with the law and good conscience. You made the statement "You have no choice but to defend youself in the quickest way possible."
We as citizens are only allowed to use a gun to defend ourselves. But when you're sitting in a courtroom the Prosecutor is using every means at his/her disposal to prove you could have done something 'other' than resorting to using a gun. And they will present many, many other plausible 'others' to prove you used your gun when you didn't have to. If they present just one that you could have done, and it doesn't matter that you didn't think of it, you go down for manslaughter.
I hope I never have to use my gun to shoot another person. I read the threads in this forum so I can be as prepared as possible if I find myself in a situation like your friend. I feel that I would have done the same as your friend did. So what have I learned from reading the postings in this thread?
1) Train for better situational awareness.
2) Don't make assumptions based on altruistic tendencies.
3) Secure my vehicle if someone approaches. (ie...roll up window/lock doors).
4) Know the laws concerning what constitues leaving a scene.
5) Obtain and train with less lethal means of defense.
6) Speak only with my lawyer.
7) Train to draw and shoot from a restrained sitting position.
I also noticed you are new to this forum. Welcome aboard. I would hope that you stick around and contribute. If all of our opinions and views were the same we would never learn anything.
Serve my country, swear an oath to protect it, pay my taxes, fly old glory in the front yard, love and protect my family, honor the vets before me and help fellow americans in need.
By definition my country now calls me a radical
as far as reaching inside a vehicle, i had a guy do it to me once. he grabbed my throat, i rolled his arm up in the window and damn near broke his elbow when i wrenched his arm backwards. luckily while my wife called 911, there happened to be a cop driving down the road. i would not have shot. but i am able bodied, 32, and very capable in hand to hand combat. it would not be a clean shoot for me with my background.
i have a martial arts background.
it means i have the ability to neutralize the situation without killing the person. while it may be a clean shoot as far as the law is concerned it would not be a clean shoot for me, in my mind.
i am not saying this wasn't a clean shoot for this guy, just putting myself in his place.
The lesson that has been taught in this matter is, you just can’t go around beating on someone and think nothing is going to happen to you. There are consequences for your actions, it may cost you your life.
If the door was open it makes it very difficult to do much, in order to re start the vehicle, either the brake or clutch pedal must be pressed, if manual transmission clutch must get near the floor before it will start.
I have been in both of these situations when I was a younger man and being in the car is not a good place to try to defend yourself. Not that it can’t be done, but the one outside has considerable advantage over the one trapped in the vehicle.