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This is a discussion on good-Congress Passes Restrictions On Military Funeral Protests within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by NMB You have to protect the rights of citizens who you absolutely despise. I dont think this is a good thing. There ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NMB View Post
    You have to protect the rights of citizens who you absolutely despise.

    I dont think this is a good thing. There are ways to drown out these losers besides passing more laws.
    +1...

    I like the "Human Wall" approach to these losers much more than another law that will evolve to something more than it's original intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    I despise those jerks that do this sort of thing, but the First doesn't protect just the speech we want to hear.

    I'm pretty sure I read in a Democrat hand book that it does....

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    These people are going out of their way to rub salt in an open wound and using the first amendment to do it.
    There is no Constitutional right to not have your feelings hurt.

    majority rules is the basic for a democracy and the majority thinks that there should be limits on this type of protest for everyone’s safety
    The entire point of having a Bill of Rights is to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Are you saying that if an overwhelming majority of Americans want to ban all guns, that's ok? Also, I haven't heard of any safety issues at these protests. However disgusting the Phelpses are, they are non-violent, and the people in opposition to them have responded like adults for the most part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCXDm9 View Post
    I'm pretty sure I read in a Democrat hand book that it does....
    Seriously, was this necessary? It's absurd on its face (both parties have a shameful history of trying to silence speech they don't like), but more importantly, it unnecessarily injected snotty politics into a thread that wasn't about that. Both sides in this thread have expressed themselves without vitriol, keep this garbage out.
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    I don't think this is good at all. As others have said, it's an erosion of the 1st Amendment.
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    Ya know, my hatred of the WBC-tards made me think this was a good thing..... I see a diffrent side to this I didn't consider initially. With the 300-foot rule, this didn't send up red-flags WRT restrictions on the 1st..... but I see the point.

    The love of community and respect for our fallen keeps the Patriot Riders, students, friends, and neighbors involved enough to prevent, as best they can, those crud-suckers from expressing their first amendment rights. I still believe a 'restriction' on outright hate (which WBC is all about) is in order, but a 'limiting' on the 1st will have concinquences later on down the road.... like even possibly 'restricting' those who would place themselves between those haters and the fallens family.

    I see this, now, the same way I see flag-burning protesters....... They have the right to burn the colors in protest of.... whatever. I served many, many moons defending even their right to do that, but I reserve my right to defend the flag and put that fire out if I can, and to stand in silent protest of those who would inject their hate into a families last rite for their fallen. If my (or anyones) right to do those things were to be 'restricted'...... that would be bad for us all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    There is a limit to free speech. You can't walk into a movie theater and yell "FIRE" just as you stand there and threaten to kill someone. Free speech has its limits and when free speech "breaches the peace" then there must be rule to govern it. The first amendment was not written to destroy good will but to be able to talk against tyranny and to be heard. These people are going out of their way to rub salt in an open wound and using the first amendment to do it. majority rules is the basic for a democracy and the majority thinks that there should be limits on this type of protest for everyone’s safety
    That's the kicker, America is not a majority rules democracy, democracy means nothing more than mob rule, 51% of the people rule the other 49%. America is a constitutional republic governed by laws and not a majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OD* View Post
    That's the kicker, America is not a majority rules democracy, democracy means nothing more than mob rule, 51% of the people rule the other 49%. America is a constitutional republic governed by laws and not a majority.
    We vote; majority wins (at least that is the way it's supposed to work). We make laws because the majority speaks. If the majority doesn’t want guns then guess what... guns are banned. There must have been a lot of people supporting this "new law" or it wouldn’t pass.

    One minute everyone is against law suits and then the next minute all I read is “I hope they sue the pants off them”; it’s whatever fits at the time.

    Well here we have a law that will protect our troops from unnecessary harassment. The same troops that keep the country free so moron’s (that never served) like them have that right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    We vote; majority wins (at least that is the way it's supposed to work). We make laws because the majority speaks. If the majority doesn’t want guns then guess what... guns are banned. There must have been a lot of people supporting this "new law" or it wouldn’t pass.

    One minute everyone is against law suits and then the next minute all I read is “I hope they sue the pants off them”; it’s whatever fits at the time.

    Well here we have a law that will protect our troops from unnecessary harassment. The same troops that keep the country free so moron’s (that never served) like them have that right.
    The trouble with your example is that while the majority does elect people to represent them in passing laws. Those elected swear an oath to uphold the Constitution not the will of the people. If what the people back home want is in violation of the Constitution the elected officials have sworn an oath not to allow it.

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    The Framers founded a republic because they recognized that mob rule could be just as great a threat to liberty as the rule of a king. Representation, Madison explains in Federalists 63, is “sometimes necessary as a defense to the people against their own temporary errors and delusions.” America’s constitutional framework thereby seeks to protect the people from the dangers of unchecked popular democracy. The people’s representatives, of course, remain ultimately accountable to the people who can vote them out of office as they see fit.
    America is not (a pure) democracy, thank God.
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    You know, I see the Phelps family of lawyers turning this around on the Patriot Guard Riders saying "if we can't protest there, they can't be there either...neener neener neener..."
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    The Westboro crowd is simply out to get their message to the public.

    We had a service locally for a fallen soldier and the church threatened to be there. The local radio station offered the pastor a chance to get his message across on a radio talk show in exchange for their absence at the service. It worked.

    You may disagree with this and say no one should give in to their mission, but I say the fact that the family of that soldier didn't have to endure the torture and mental anguish of knowing that group was there, whether they could see and/or hear them or not, was worth the compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    You know, I see the Phelps family of lawyers turning this around on the Patriot Guard Riders saying "if we can't protest there, they can't be there either...neener neener neener..."
    the patriot guard does not protest but escorts the funeral

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    It's a shame that any congregation would stupe to such a cause under the guise of Christianity. Shame on every last one of um. I totally agree with the wall of people to block these fools from their so called cause. I truly hope that each and every one of them feel some remorse for what they've done to all the families at some point in their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gottabkiddin View Post
    It's a shame that any congregation would stup to such a cause under the guise of Christianity. Shame on every last one of um. I totally agree with the wall of people to block these fools from their so called cause. I truly hope that each and every one of them feel some remorse for what they've done to all the families at some point in their lives.
    They will... just maybe not on this earth...

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