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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    There is a limit to free speech. You can't walk into a movie theater and yell "FIRE" just as you stand there and threaten to kill someone. Free speech has its limits and when free speech "breaches the peace" then there must be rule to govern it.
    Whilst true, it's already been established through judicial precedence involving cases like the KKK... just because you are wildly unpopular doesn't mean it's "breaching the peace".


    This law wont make it past the first lawsuit.
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    I have never understood why families don't make arrangements in such a manner as to prevent these whack-jobs from being able to actually impact their service. For example, when doing a memorial on post for a fallen soldier or internment at a cemetery simply use whatever entrance to the facility they are not picketing at. If it is at a church, move the church service to such a facility. Do whatever you can to preserve the sanctity and dignity of the memory of the fallen while giving the family members and friends an opportunity to appropriately grieve. The same goes for choosing routes to and from the memorial service and internment.

    To say I despise the Phelps' is an understatement. They are nothing but a bunch of hate mongering related miscreants masquerading hate as religion.

    Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist hatemongers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torgo1968 View Post
    Nothing good about this. The first amendment must be as fiercely protected as the second. I detest the Westboro clowns as much as anyone, but free speech for all means free speech for them as well. This legislation is blatantly unconstitutional and will give Phelps another court victory and publicity. The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. They feed on attention.
    I agree with ^^

    Americans need to solve our problems without creating laws for every little inconvenience or to prevent some folks from being jerks. I feel we've started to rely on the gubmint for everything.

    If we hate these Westboro meatheads so much, we should show up in greater numbers to support the families in their grief and not let there be room for the protesters.

    We don't need a law for everything. More laws = more lawyers = more laws = more lawyers ...... neither are good in abundance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hayzor View Post
    I agree with ^^

    Americans need to solve our problems without creating laws for every little inconvenience or to prevent some folks from being jerks. I feel we've started to rely on the gubmint for everything.

    If we hate these Westboro meatheads so much, we should show up in greater numbers to support the families in their grief and not let there be room for the protesters.

    We don't need a law for everything. More laws = more lawyers = more laws = more lawyers ...... neither are good in abundance.
    Well said. Let's pass a law that says no more silly laws.
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    Bout time! Need to lock up the whole WBC contingent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad426 View Post
    Well said. Let's pass a law that says no more silly laws.
    Great while youíre at it I don't want to mow my lawn anymore and why should I drive at a safe speed; who cares if I run someoneís kid over. What else can we get rid of that keep the rest of us in place like allow bums to urinate in public? Whatís wrong with the kids smoking pot and playing loud music till 3 am; letís get rid of all them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    Great while you’re at it I don't want to mow my lawn anymore and why should I drive at a safe speed; who cares if I run someone’s kid over. What else can we get rid of that keep the rest of us in place like allow bums to urinate in public? What’s wrong with the kids smoking pot and playing loud music till 3 am; let’s get rid of all them too.
    None of the things you mentioned were withheld from the federal government's purview by the document that established our experiment in self-government. Freedom of speech was.

    As to your specific examples, don't mow your lawn. Be a better parent and don't let your kids smoke pot and stay out late. As to your other concerns, if a locality wants to enact those laws, let them. It gives people two votes - one at the ballot box and one on whether they choose to be a part of that community or not.
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    The thing that has only been briefly touched upon here is that this makes military funerals a protected class of funerals. I don't want to be in a separate class of people from the rest. I am a citizen of the US who merely performed one of the many jobs necessary to make our society function. I'm no better or worse than any other man.

    Over the past couple of generations, police (as a whole) have worked hard to separate themselves from the public. Many now no longer see themselves as equals to other citizens; rather, they see themselves as special. I don't want to see the military go down that same road.
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    Point being that laws no matter who enact them stops people from doing harn to others. I don’t care if these people want to protest a soldiers death just do it on the other side of town

    Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and by many state constitutions and state and federal laws. The freedom is not absolute; the Supreme Court of the United States has recognized several categories of speech that are excluded from the freedom of speech, and it has recognized that governments may enact reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on speech
    Freedom of speech in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    the patriot guard does not protest but escorts the funeral
    Do you think this band of inbred lawyers will allow facts get in the way of the argument? Heck, they'll claim PGR is a counter-protest...

    Either way, I think this is a bad law, but made with good intentions.

    Instead, it should be allowed to bring them behind the woodshed and teach them some manners and respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herknav View Post
    None of the things you mentioned were withheld from the federal government's purview by the document that established our experiment in self-government. Freedom of speech was.

    As to your specific examples, don't mow your lawn. Be a better parent and don't let your kids smoke pot and stay out late. As to your other concerns, if a locality wants to enact those laws, let them. It gives people two votes - one at the ballot box and one on whether they choose to be a part of that community or not.
    Actually they were withheld from the Feds by not granting it to them in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Do you think this band of inbred lawyers will allow facts get in the way of the argument? Heck, they'll claim PGR is a counter-protest...

    Either way, I think this is a bad law, but made with good intentions.

    Instead, it should be allowed to bring them behind the woodshed and teach them some manners and respect.
    the law is wrapped into a bill with other things for our fighting men and woman; you all might not like a part of it but I/we hope the whole thing will help our troops

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    the law is wrapped into a bill with other things for our fighting men and woman; you all might not like a part of it but I/we hope the whole thing will help our troops
    I'm one of the "troops"...let me take these idiots to Iraq or Afghanistan and let them conduct their protests there and then we may be on to something....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    I'm one of the "troops"...let me take these idiots to Iraq or Afghanistan and let them conduct their protests there and then we may be on to something....
    And if or when the majority of folks ever disagree with what you say they should ship you off as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    Great while you’re at it I don't want to mow my lawn anymore and why should I drive at a safe speed; who cares if I run someone’s kid over. What else can we get rid of that keep the rest of us in place like allow bums to urinate in public? What’s wrong with the kids smoking pot and playing loud music till 3 am; let’s get rid of all them too.
    No, instead let's go for the better notion... let's limit your rights to no more than 10 round mags, no more than 5 shells in a shotgun... no "black furniture." NO buying more than 50 rounds at a time... and let's register those purchases....

    You want to limit WBC to 300'. All escorts must drive vehicles with exhaust noise limited to 93dB...

    I hate WBC... I hate the KKK... There are men and women dying for their right to march. Even if their funeral is protested by either of these groups...
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