Results of investigation of police shooting here in Michigan released yesterday.

Results of investigation of police shooting here in Michigan released yesterday.

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    Results of investigation of police shooting here in Michigan released yesterday.

    I don't know if there has been any previous post about this incident.

    Prosecutor: Officers' lives on the line in Milton Hall shooting, no state criminal charges | MLive.com

    Back in July a mentally disturbed man was threatening people with a knife. Police responded. When the man approched the police he was shot and died.

    According to the 911 tapes and testimony ALL eight or nine responding officers ordered the man to drop the knife. He was quoted and saying your going to have to kill me because I am going to kill one of you.

    Of course the "family" of the man has been organizing vigils and protest, and the "Reverand" (all though I don't know if he has ever actually had a paid ministry position) Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been to Saginaw.

    One thing revealed in the prosocuter's press conference was that six officers fired over 40 rounds total at the suspect, but only 11 were hits. Most of those struck his arms and legs. The fatal shot was to his pancreas.


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    Yeah there was a thread that also had cell phone video of the shooting a couple of weeks ago.
    I love how the prosecuter is covering his rear by saying that just because he isn't doing anything doesn't mean the feds can't.

    Here is the original thread:bad, ugly- was it a firing squad or justified?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TedBeau View Post
    One thing revealed in the prosocuter's press conference was that six officers fired over 40 rounds total at the suspect, but only 11 were hits. Most of those struck his arms and legs. The fatal shot was to his pancreas.
    With their accuracy levels and shot placement they needed all six to fire.

    Having seen the video I'm not sure I'd jump to the same conclusion as the prosecutor's office...

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    Shooting this man was inexcusable. Non-lethal options were present. Where did the other 29+ rds. fired go? Situation should have been handled very differently. Seems a shame, I would like to see the entire video and audio. Wouldn't want to see any officers get hurt, but there seemed to be better ways to proceed.

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    Without being there it is hard to judge distance. Someone with a knife being highly agitated starts walking toward you while ignoring commands then lethal force may be justified. Following the MI LE training force continuum a knife is a deadly weapon. Sounds like the guy wanted suicide by cop too.
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    O' Please Mr. Officer save us from this bad man, he has a knife.....But do it nice, we do not want anyone's feelings to get hurt...GET OVER IT....

    This guy had a deadly weapon. The police responded to that deadly threat with a deadly threat of there own. Mr. BG didnt fair so well did he. If you want to go out in a blaze of glory, grab a deadly weapon and have a stand off with Police, you will get your wish. PC does not belong here.....
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    Well seems cops like to use tasers alot, wonder why no taser here? But if they choose to shoot their weapons, they seem to be poor shots and needed many shots to do the job.
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    I'm not about to second guess their method - even though I would not receive similar treatment.

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    lesson learned when a cop says “put the weapon down” do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by barstoolguru View Post
    lesson learned when a cop says “put the weapon down” do it
    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    O' Please Mr. Officer save us from this bad man, he has a knife.....But do it nice, we do not want anyone's feelings to get hurt...GET OVER IT....

    This guy had a deadly weapon. The police responded to that deadly threat with a deadly threat of there own. Mr. BG didnt fair so well did he. If you want to go out in a blaze of glory, grab a deadly weapon and have a stand off with Police, you will get your wish. PC does not belong here.....
    Quote Originally Posted by rocky View Post
    Without being there it is hard to judge distance. Someone with a knife being highly agitated starts walking toward you while ignoring commands then lethal force may be justified. Following the MI LE training force continuum a knife is a deadly weapon. Sounds like the guy wanted suicide by cop too.


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    Why don't the family members and naysayer MMQ Backers grab a can of pepper spray, and have one of the officers charge them with a knife,
    Or better yet, give them a can of OC and a pistol W/O ammo, then have the officer charge them with a knife, and see which one they go for.
    What a bunch of panty waists
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    I'm still caught up on how many hits there were and that out of all of the only 1 was fatal. Holy cow that is some bad shooting. I understand that stress was involved, but wow.

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    They must have cross trained with the NYPD.

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    ??? where did all the whiners come from?
    I am glad I do not live in your state.

    a knife is a deadly weapon. force on force I would shoot also. The only difference is that I would not have had such a low hit count.
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    If the statements and actions claimed attributed to him were real, then he was well and truly a deadly threat. Oftentimes, in this world, your actions beget certain completely-justifiable responses by those around you. Gonna murder someone, before you go? I think not.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    I love how the prosecuter is covering his rear by saying that just because he isn't doing anything doesn't mean the feds can't.
    That is about the most-disturbing part of the whole affair: the idea that Fed interveners can take over if they don't like the result, despite the issue being just another local sort going off his meds. I've never understood why we, the People, allow such things to ever occur.
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    I guess they didn't have any tasers! Six armed cops against a knife and nobody thought to tase him. They probable would have missed anyway.
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