Good?: Bar/gun range. gun range/bar?

This is a discussion on Good?: Bar/gun range. gun range/bar? within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by keboostman Absurd. Liquor and guns don't mix. Intoxication/impairment and guns surely don't. But as citizens in many states have shown via their ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Absurd. Liquor and guns don't mix.
    Intoxication/impairment and guns surely don't. But as citizens in many states have shown via their statutes, imbibing can coexist safely.

    Little different than, say, the arguments against schools and guns ... or children and guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoghunter84 View Post
    The range I go to has a clubhouse with a bar. They serve only beer. There never seems to be a problem with intoxicated shooters. Common sense needs to be used with everything. The bar is only open to people who have already shot. They cannot shoot after they drink.
    My turn to speak for the anti's:I think the issue with guns in bars is not that you will go to the range after and shoot. The fear is that you are drinking while carrying a gun and tempers can flare over something stupid like a football game or politics and someone will get shot.
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    I'm glad to read they prohibit you from the gun range once youve had a drink. I wonder how they evaluate someones sobriety, right off the street, who arrives already tanked up?

    That idea doesn't boost my safety thoughts anymore than a combo lounge/driving school or lounge/surgery center.
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    I don't really care about the bar...just think their risk mitigation plan is a CYA and totally useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suntzu View Post
    I don't really care about the bar...just think their risk mitigation plan is a CYA and totally useless.
    Even if patrons secure their gun in their vehicle before drinking, they are still in possesion of a firearm and have been drinking. Again Im not sure what the state laws are. If a patron of a standalone bare chooses to carry and drink, its on them. In this case I could see some accidents swinging against the range come court time. Afterall, it was McDinalds fault some old lady spilled HOT coffee all over her absorbant pants.
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    Even if they work out a fool proof safety plan this just sounds bad.
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    With the restriction on anyone entering or re-entering the range after getting a bump, I'm not sure that I see a problem here. It's a unique concept for sure.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ionracas View Post
    Even if patrons secure their gun in their vehicle before drinking, they are still in possesion of a firearm and have been drinking. Again Im not sure what the state laws are. If a patron of a standalone bare chooses to carry and drink, its on them. In this case I could see some accidents swinging against the range come court time. Afterall, it was McDinalds fault some old lady spilled HOT coffee all over her absorbant pants.
    Does storage equal possession? Also, If storing a firearm in your vehicle without a permit is legal and you maintain adequate sobriety to legally drive, what's the gripe?
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    Not my scene. I try to stay away from guns when I drink. Yeah, the range has a system that precludes lane usage after drinking. But still....

    (this from a guy that drinks about two beers a week max)

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    Its not that crazy. My friends and I have "Shoot & Hoot" nights. A visit to the gun range, then lock the weapons and enjoy wings & beer at Hooters. We never get "Plastered" and in the 11 years or so we have all of zero issues. It can't be that rare for friends to enjoy a cold beer after a trip to the range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArkhmAsylm View Post
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    With the restriction on anyone entering or re-entering the range after getting a bump, I'm not sure that I see a problem here. It's a unique concept for sure.

    Does storage equal possession? Also, If storing a firearm in your vehicle without a permit is legal and you maintain adequate sobriety to legally drive, what's the gripe?
    Perhaps you're right. But thats assuming that people adequatley secure their gun and dont get drunk. It would be foolish to think everyone is responsible. If someone is going to break the law they will do it but not everyone who gets drunk sets out to do so.

    Although, I guess if a gun range and bar were two seperate businesses next to eachother, none of us would be scratching our heads. It just dosnt seem like a good thing being done this way. More fuel for the fire against the image of our cummunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    I would hope they have a very strict protocol regarding the order in which their services are allowed to be utilized. Furthermore, I would be surprised if they could even obtain liability insurance under those circumstances.
    What about making all guests sign a liability waiver. Im going to a place next wednesday thats got a trap range and then dinner at a bar & grill. Shoot first, eat later i believe. Their website has the liability waiver form for download.
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    I bet Wyatt Earp didn't drink when he was packing....
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    Do what you want. They may make a lot of money but I will be giving this idea wide berth. For me this falls under the three S rule.
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    Why not sell fine tobacco products too? I mean, if your gonna go for it, go all the way. They could even set aside a night where ATF agents get to shoot and drink for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ionracas View Post
    Because dumb boyfreinds with little knowledge on guns or safety who bring their ditzy girlfreinds to the range and sweep everyone with loaded guns isnt enough? Now lets get them all drunk since most of the ones I mentioned are in that partying age group.

    The range I am loyal to has a resturaunt with great food. That was an awesome idea. This? Insane.

    What are Georgias laws on alcohol consumption and carrying? Anyone? Bueller?
    What exactly is the age of the "party age group" you speak of? Just curious since people of all ages party more than they probably should..
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