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    Quote Originally Posted by Harryball View Post
    Yep, that way you die tired, with a bullet in your back. Refusing to be a victim, having the proper mindset to never give up and to survive is the key here. Running away is the antis way of logic, which makes no sense at all.
    Yes, you run the chance of dying with a bullet in your back. If someone's pointing a gun at you, there're lots of ways where you end up with a bullet in your body. I'm just saying that those odds are lower (in some cases) than if someone pulls a 'deer in the headlights' or tries to draw when they've lost the drop. What my point is, is that there're a variety of tactics to be used that have advantages and disadvantages based on the specific setting. Er, otherwise they'd not be called 'tactics'.

    I agree with 'refusing to be a victim'. You're entirely right; we should endeavor to be the master in all the confrontations. The confrontations go according to our plans and our desires. That's not the same as 'refusing to be wise'. "Bolting like a hare" is a tool in the toolkit, just like "feigning submission" and "distraction" and yes, "drawing and firing". If you say that "bolting like a hare" is not a tool in the toolkit, then you simply have less of a toolkit. And that just means that your other tools need to be even better.
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    My running days are done....my breathing days ARE NOT. This is why I CCW and stay armed at home. Living life learning how to cope with my "disabilities" or is it staying alive in spite of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckQue View Post
    Yes, you run the chance of dying with a bullet in your back. If someone's pointing a gun at you, there're lots of ways where you end up with a bullet in your body. I'm just saying that those odds are lower (in some cases) than if someone pulls a 'deer in the headlights' or tries to draw when they've lost the drop. What my point is, is that there're a variety of tactics to be used that have advantages and disadvantages based on the specific setting. Er, otherwise they'd not be called 'tactics'.

    I agree with 'refusing to be a victim'. You're entirely right; we should endeavor to be the master in all the confrontations. The confrontations go according to our plans and our desires. That's not the same as 'refusing to be wise'. "Bolting like a hare" is a tool in the toolkit, just like "feigning submission" and "distraction" and yes, "drawing and firing". If you say that "bolting like a hare" is not a tool in the toolkit, then you simply have less of a toolkit. And that just means that your other tools need to be even better.
    My mindset is not about running away and letting the BG dictate the fight. If Im running it will be to run to cover and deliver what the BG needs, my lead. I am tired of this victim mentality. and will not adhere to it. I will disrupt his OODA loop.
    Don"t let stupid be your skill set....

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    I'm almost certain that running from a robbery attempt makes you a racist and therefore a legitimate target. ;)

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    I'm rarely alone, and prefer to be with other CC'ers.
    As we used to teach in the spook business, carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it you may shoot it. If you shoot it you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody - and he finds out about it - he may be very angry with you. -- Jeff Cooper

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    It works in Grand Theft Auto. And in the event you get shot a couple thousand times or run over or drown, because nobody knows how to swim, youll wake up standing outside the entrance to the nearest hospital, where you can steal an ambulance and do it all over again.

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    Please don't think this is political....it is just funny.


    Are you a Liberal/Progressive, a Conservative, or a Southerner?
    Here is a little test that will help you decide.
    You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children.

    Suddenly, a Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges at you...

    You are carrying
    a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.

    What do you do?
    Liberal/Progressive Answer:
    Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
    What is a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP?
    Does the man look poor or oppressed?
    Is he really a terrorist? Am I guilty of profiling?
    Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
    Could we run away?
    What does my wife think?
    What about the kids?
    Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
    What does the law say about this situation?
    Does the pistol have appropriate safety built into it?
    Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
    Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
    Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
    If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
    Should I call 9-1-1?
    Why is this street so deserted?
    We need to raise taxes, have paint & weed day.
    Can we make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
    I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.
    This is all so confusing!

    Conservative Answer:
    BANG!

    Southerner's Answer:
    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG ! BANG! BANG! BANG!
    Click..... (Sounds of reloading)
    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
    Click

    Daughter: 'Nice grouping, Daddy!' 'Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?!

    Son: 'Can I shoot the next one?!'

    Wife: 'You ain't taking that to the Taxidermist!
    Last edited by Spirit51; September 23rd, 2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason: Changed from Democrat to Liberal/Progressive and Republican to Conservative.
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    The only running i will be doing is to the best cover i can find.Willingly giving up the ability to monitor a threat is silly and suicidal
    The easy way is always mined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    Please don't think this is political....it is just funny.

    I changed it from Democrat to Liberal/Progressive and Republican to Conservative, because I know several Democrats that don't fit this stereo type. The "blue dog" Democrat may be out numbered, but they are still out there. God Bless them.
    A woman must not depend on protection by men. A woman must learn to protect herself.
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    A armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one has to back it up with his life.
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    Don't judge all robbers based on him... most are good people that play by the rules.
    That is correct. The Brady bunch and others have studied this. You're supposed to "just give them what they want" and/or "run away".

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    Quote Originally Posted by txron View Post
    I thought we were just to hand over our stuff without any struggle or complaint to them, because, hey, it just "our" stuff and they need it more than we do.
    Didn't work too well in this instance.....

    Three Arrests Made in Robbery and Shooting of Miami-Dade Officer: Cops | NBC 6 South Florida

    On Saturday evening, the three men ambushed the unidentified off-duty officer at gunpoint and demanded his jewelry, authorities said. After he turned it over to them, Barney shot him in the chest, according to an arrest affidavit. (emphasis added)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spirit51 View Post
    I changed it from Democrat to Liberal/Progressive and Republican to Conservative, because I know several Democrats that don't fit this stereo type. The "blue dog" Democrat may be out numbered, but they are still out there. God Bless them.
    Spirit, that was very funny. It illustrates the how different people think differently. Also, dems/pubs is a very small way to categorize people's thoughts on complex issues. Thanks for changing that. Most of my close friends vote democrat and support RKBA. But, I'm from Texas...
    I even have two German friends that support it. Perhaps history informs their opinion...

    As to the thread: I don't train to run from the fight. I train to end the threat. Running comes naturally. I'll use that to get off the X. I will not turn my back to a threat. Animals attack when the prey runs. Until then they are busy evaluating.
    Dave Grossman had much to say about this. Most killing in combat happens when the adversary is fleeing. Recommended reading.
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    Or in the case of WWI with the retarded officers sent the men across no mans land through barbed wire and into a title wave of machine gun bursts.

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    My family is with me? Last thing I'll do is run.

    My family is not with me? Still won't run. I hate to run. I do have a stately trot that I'd hate to employ.

    My hands are much faster than my feet anyway.

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    I say run,
    and hope that you can run faster than his gun's muzzle velocity.

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