May we all learn from this tragic occurrence.
Police gun down 83-year-old woman responding to 911 call she dialed - NY Daily News
May we all learn from this tragic occurrence.
Police gun down 83-year-old woman responding to 911 call she dialed - NY Daily News
It seems similar to the thread about the guy with dementia. Almost everybody in that thread said good shoot. Government officials rolling around and killing people on their own property seems like a problem to me.
Tragic, yes.
Avoidable, yes.
She did not have her glasses or hearing aid on when shot... But she thought they were prowlers. But she may not have heard, understood, or seen who she was pointing her gun at....
The police were, unfortunately (IMO), justified.
Lots of lessons to be learned here.... STAY ON THE PHONE with 911... Identify yourself and tell 911 about your movements if any... No warning shots. Out windows, into the ground, it doesn't matter... all your lead should be headed towards known BGs.
A tragedy to be sure... she was armed to protect herself... but didn't handle the responsibility completely surrounding using a firearm to do so. It cost her her life...
And it will cost her children "every penny".... to win a settlement if they do.
In the dark, on a call TO that property for a possible prowler... unknown person in yard with gun... Do you think these government officials were "rolling around" knowing they were gonna kill some homeowner that night and be justified in doing so? How were they supposed to get positive ID? All she had to do was put down her gun.... not point it at them...Quote:
Government officials rolling around and killing people on their own property seems like a problem to me.
It is possible to do everything right in a self-defense situation and still wind up dead. Toss a mistake or two in for good measure, and that possibility is magnified accordingly. Tragic for all involved, as well as their loved ones.
Again, sometimes you have protect people from themselves.
Hardly. When an unidentified man points a gun at a police officer and ignores commands to put the weapon down, the police are justified in using deadly force to defend themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Shot
Sad, that's all I can come up with... One person knows her side, but that person is dead.
You get a call burglary in progress,as you approach you hear a gun shot,as you take cover you see somebody leave the residence and they have a gun,you yell out and light them up with a flashlight,they point the gun at you,somebody is gonna make sure they go home after their shift in this scenario.
I see one huge major problem,she bought a gun but had never fired it,and had absolutely no training in how to handle a situation like she was now involved in.
How do you know she never fired it and had no training?
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83 yrs old woman calls 911 and gets plugged - cops need better, stronger, flashlights
Well, it says that almost verbatim in the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunder71
If a person's going to call for LE to arrive specifically to catch a burglar/criminal, then it behooves a person to NOT be walking around outside with a handgun in plain view. There are appropriate, common-sense ways to receive LE into the area ... and then there's the way this lady apparently chose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Shot
Of course, it's unclear what (if anything) the resident did to appear as the GG, and what (if anything) LE did to attempt to disarm the resident short of firing upon her.
Lesson for all of us, in such situations: if you're going to do a great imitation of an armed criminal while LE's arriving to capture an armed criminal, then you shouldn't be surprised if you get taken as such.
OH MY, we MUST watch out for those pesky 83 year old female cat burglars prowling around the neighborhood in a nightgown.
Both the Seattle man and this woman were senior citizens who called the police because they thought the heard something alarming around their homes. Then they get shot by the police. There HAS to be a better way to go about this. I know, self defense, pointed gun, stand your ground, unknown suspect, blah blah blah. What the hell do dispatchers do?
One of my guiding principles in life is constantly reassured - avoid interactions with the police at all costs.
... holding firearms, possibly refusing commands to drop the weapon, etc? Every situation's different. Unknown specifically what was said/done in this situation, but it's a good bet if the resident and LE had gotten in contact prior to the resident being seen carrying a firearm then she wouldn't have been mistaken for the (very possibly) armed criminal they'd been called to apprehend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cold Shot