Could some sanity be returning to the UK?

Could some sanity be returning to the UK?

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    Question Could some sanity be returning to the UK?

    BBC News - Tory conference: Burglary 'over-reaction' to be allowed

    8 October 2012 Last updated at 20:51 ET

    Tory conference: Burglary 'over-reaction' to be allowed

    Householders who over-react when confronted by burglars are to get more protection in law, Justice Secretary Chris Grayling will say.

    "Grossly disproportionate" force will still be against the law, but the bar will be set higher than the current "proportionate" force test.

    The minister will also use his speech to say all community sentences should have a punitive element.
    But he will insist that he is committed to the rehabilitation of offenders.

    Mr Grayling wants to change the law on tackling intruders as soon as possible, aides say, and it could be included in a crime bill passing through Parliament this autumn.

    'Terrifying' It will mean someone who is confronted by a burglar and has reason to fear for their safety, or the safety of their family, and in the heat of the moment uses force that is reasonable in the circumstances but in the cold light of day seems disproportionate they will not be guilty of an offence.

    Mr Grayling will tell Tory delegates: "Being confronted by an intruder in your own home is terrifying, and the public should be in no doubt that the law is on their side."

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    One can only hope... I recently posted a story about a Brit judge who would not find a shotgun wielding homeowner guilty of a crime against a home intruder...

    Maybe people are fed up, and they just won't take it anymore...
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
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    America sucks, but the whole world sucks more!

    Hopefuly they are getting fed up over there.
    Problem is, it took 35-40 years or so to get to the sick and unbalanced laws and viewpoints about self-protection, and this problem won't change over night.
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    Lord Chief Justice, Lord Judge, said last month that burglary should always be treated seriously and stressed that householders have the right to use force "to get rid of the burglar".

    He admitted "occasionally it looks as if the householder is the criminal", but added: "Well, the householder is not in a position to exercise calm, cool, judgment.

    "You're not calmly detached, you're probably very cross and you're probably very frightened, a mixture of both.
    I would say the homeowner would be quite cross and would prefer to permanently get rid of the burglar.
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    Excellent - UK is turning Laws to protect homeowners who use force to protect

    Shout out to any 45 Comando Brothers!


    My Comments: Even in the UK they have realized that they have gone so far to ban firearms and knives that only criminals have them and use them. Even better, they are now turning around the 'INSANE' policies they have had over the past decade of not respecting, in the court of law, one's right to defend home and family!

    --------------------------(from the article - below).....................................

    The long campaign to give householders the right to use maximum force against burglars will end in victory today.
    Chris Grayling will announce he is changing the law to allow people to use ‘disproportionate’ levels of violence to protect themselves and their families.

    The Justice Secretary said it would ‘dispel doubts once and for all’ over the right to fight back against intruders.

    ....(snip)...

    It will mean someone who is confronted by a burglar and has reason to fear for their safety, or their family’s safety and in the heat of the moment uses force that later seems ‘disproportionate’ will not be guilty of an offence.
    This could include the use of lethal force. Only force which is ‘grossly’ disproportionate will not be permitted.

    Mr Grayling said: ‘Being confronted by an intruder in your home is terrifying, and the public should be in no doubt that the law is on their side. That is why I am strengthening the current law.

    ‘Householders who act instinctively and honestly in self-defence are crime victims and should be treated that way.
    ‘We need to dispel doubts in this area once and for all, and I am very pleased to be delivering on the pledge that we made in Opposition.’
    The demands for change began when Mr Martin was imprisoned for killing one burglar and wounding another who entered his Norfolk farm.

    My Comments: Can someone please share this with the progressive left who run IL, CA, NY, NJ and HI? After all, they are the ones who always want to emulate European Socialists.


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    It is sad to see the state of the UK. Their history is full of stories, including the home guard that was made up of store keepers and old men during WWII.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/eastlot...5180/lightbox/

    Often unarmed except for homemade weapons, and the old guns that Americans had sent to them when they requested it. Sad to see how a proud nation huddles in fear and has allowed the elite to convince them they can protect them


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    if you break into my home, and I have my gun loaded and ready to be fired, chances are you are gonna get shot unless you get on your knees and beg for mercy.

    ...and I am a life-long Democrat. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    if you break into my home, and I have my gun loaded and ready to be fired, chances are you are gonna get shot unless you get on your knees and beg for mercy.

    ...and I am a life-long Democrat. :)
    No insult intended to being a Democrat (so you know ;-) Grew up in PA Coal Union Country and being Democrat is OK and normal. The insult was aimed at the 'Progressive Socialist Left', the very fringe - which I think has overtaken the Democratic Party. They are the ones who would rally against you for even thinking about the independence to defend yourself.

    Again, no insult intended against mainstream Americans of either party.
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    that's way overdue.......
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    Looks like the same Alice in Wonderland legal delusions. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
    High praise for Castle Doctrine that presumes a worst-case scenario on behalf of the homeowner rather than the British burglary that grants rabble from the street some right to occupy the home of another.
    Americans understood the right of self-preservation as permitting a citizen to repel force by force
    when the intervention of society... may be too late to prevent an injury.
    -Blackstone’s Commentaries 145–146, n. 42 (1803) in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

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    It's long overdue......
    "Just getting a concealed carry permit means you haven't commited a crime yet. CCP holders commit crimes." Daniel Vice, senior attorney for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, quoted on Fox & Friends, 8 Jul, 2008

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    I don't know, but they still have a long way to go. Whenever I comment on any gun related articles on Yahoo UK, I get pounced on Brits who tell me how 'safe' they are because of their gun bans as compared to the states....but as I read the UK news, it seems the body count is rising there as well. Chopped up babies found in a park, heads found in the river, two unarmed policewomen mowed down by gunfire and grenades by a clown that had been convicted 22 times on 27 different charges...and still on the streets?....They'll learn one of these days.

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    Now they need to release the farmer they convicted of shooting the burglars he caught in his home
    "Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
    --Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    No insult intended to being a Democrat (so you know ;-) Grew up in PA Coal Union Country and being Democrat is OK and normal. The insult was aimed at the 'Progressive Socialist Left', the very fringe - which I think has overtaken the Democratic Party. They are the ones who would rally against you for even thinking about the independence to defend yourself.

    Again, no insult intended against mainstream Americans of either party.
    yes, Im already hated by some leftees for supporting moderate positions. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    yes, Im already hated by some leftees for supporting moderate positions. :)
    Being a moderate will get you hate from the extremes of both parties sadly.

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