Gunfire at the mall, in the food court

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    I know this mall, it is about 3 blocks from my house. Knowing the layout of it, I would have headed further into the mall. While not there, I'd guess that the majority of people stampeded to the exit. Heading into the mall not only would have put you further from where they gunfire happened, but also closer to several other exits.

    At least this mall is not a posted "Free Victim Zone".
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    Well if I was in the bathroom I would've rapidly expunged any stored waste.

    Outside of the bathroom, I'm getting me and mine to cover until I can figure out what is going down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    I know this mall, it is about 3 blocks from my house. Knowing the layout of it, I would have headed further into the mall. While not there, I'd guess that the majority of people stampeded to the exit. Heading into the mall not only would have put you further from where they gunfire happened, but also closer to several other exits.

    At least this mall is not a posted "Free Victim Zone".
    I'm surprised it isn't. Chesterfield Town Center in Midlothian, Short Pump Town Center, and Southpark Mall in Colonial Heights are. There isn't simply a gunbuster sign, there is a "code of conduct" posted by every entrance that includes prohibition of weapons possession. Last time I was at Chesterfield Town Center there was an unarmed guard riding a Segway,... Since I moved from the greater Richmond area, the mall I've been to out here is "posted" as well. I used to run some errands about a block from where the mall is,... last time I did before moving me and the family bought a bunch of stuff at the Toys R Us you can see in the video.

    Wonder what the "disagreement" was about.


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    It wouldn't have happened at my mall because it is posted. /sarc
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    No where did I say I would get involved, BTW.. In fact, just the opposite... but if I were in the immediate area... I'm going to try to move out of the teeming mass of bovines heading for the nearest exit... I ain't stayin behind to do anything but protect myself...

    I've never run with the bulls, and I sure don't want to run with the bulls, cows, and calves that will be trampling everything and everybody in their way as they head for the nearest cattle chute/bottleneck/funnel of an exit.

    I will seek cover away from the action and away from the masses... I will have my hand near my weapon in case the fracas ain't over... and as soon as I feel it is... I'll go towards another exit... away from the epicenter of the action and the tsunami of people headed for the NEAREST exit.
    Rats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    If I'm at a mall then that means I'm with, at the very least, my wife &/or kids. Shooting breaks out I'm gonna hunker down or sprint to cover with the family. Bugging out in the mass panic with a heard of scard, stampeeding shoppers is not a choke-point I want to get into. I'll find and alternate exit and go that route. I believe there are times to get involved, but that ain't one of 'em IMO.

    Opening fire in a mall....... just stupid and the shooter needs to be removed from society for many, many moons.
    Most businesses in the mall have a back exit that goes to an interior "service" hallway or opens directly to the outside. That would most likely be the way out I would seek in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRO305 View Post
    Orient, Observe, Decide, Act

    Find out where the gunfire is coming from, try to see the threat, decide if I can safely escape or need to engage, then do that....
    I never have time to remember what that danged OODA stands for; I just beat feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRO305 View Post
    Orient, Observe, Decide, Act

    Find out where the gunfire is coming from, try to see the threat, decide if I can safely escape or need to engage, then do that....
    Really... 250 other people in that mall at the food court are OODA looping too...
    EVERYBODY IS OODA looping ALL THE TIME.
    The only thing we DON'T OODA loop is autonomous bodily functions... breathing, heartbeat, and some others.
    So, I'll be doing that too... But I won't call it that...

    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    I never have time to remember what that danged OODA stands for; I just beat feet.
    I do too, OV... FAR FROM THE MADDING CROWD.. To safety and cover.
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    I just go with instinct, or if that fails, end stink.
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    Exit stage left. Two idiots shooting each other over a chili dog is their issue.

    If it had been a different kind of threat ... a crazy shooter scenario ... well, I'm not going to just sit there and let some nut job walk through a food court killing people. It's not in my DNA.
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    This information is "sound." Most people run blindly, get trampled, etc... They don't even know where they're going. The OODA loop is a term to describe what steps a person "should" do in a situation. Not something you pickup in a 10 minute class. It's like CPR you don't do it right the first time.

    To someone like yourself it may come naturally...or instinctively... But if you've been in a riot, a crowd with gunshots fired, etc... you've seen that 99% of the people just start running. They don't care or know where. Could be to safety, could be toward the guys getting shot at...they don't know they're scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRO305 View Post
    This information is "sound." Most people run blindly, get trampled, etc... They don't even know where they're going. The OODA loop is a term to describe what steps a person "should" do in a situation. Not something you pickup in a 10 minute class. It's like CPR you don't do it right the first time.

    To someone like yourself it may come naturally...or instinctively... But if you've been in a riot, a crowd with gunshots fired, etc... you've seen that 99% of the people just start running. They don't care or know where. Could be to safety, could be toward the guys getting shot at...they don't know they're scared.
    DIRO305,

    I know what the OODA loop is, I know it's "sound" thinking... My point is that everybody, even the panicked shoppers trampling each other to the nearest fatal funnel of an exit, are orienting, observing, deciding, and acting... The are doing it at a subconscious level... basic instinct, herd mentality... not thinking about it... like a flinch reaction gone amok... all into their legs and feets.

    I dislike the term "OODA"... I really dislike "OODA loop"... reminds me of Willie Wonka and the Oompa Loompas... the OODA Loopers.

    Do I have another cool "acronymistic" term for it? Nope... Does it matter? not so much.
    I also dislike color codes...

    But for the record, they are both fairly accurate descriptive tools used to describe what our thought process should be.

    My point is that they are thought processes. THINK! THINK! THINK! Override basic instinct... and use your noggin... Use every tool in your toolbox. If your toolbox is limited... use everything you got anyway... you can use a screwdriver to open a can of soup..

    When your about to have an automobile accident... don't throw your hands up to cover your face and scream like a girl...
    Drive the vehicle until the accident is over... DRIVE THE CAR...CONTROL IT... UNTIL IT'S ALL OVER. You may avoid the accident altogether if you are lucky... You more likely will at least reduce the damage... to yourself, to the vehicle, to passengers.. etc.
    Rats!
    It could be worse!
    I suppose

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