"Volunteer firefighter shoots hammer-wielding killer to halt rampage"

"Volunteer firefighter shoots hammer-wielding killer to halt rampage"

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    "Volunteer firefighter shoots hammer-wielding killer to halt rampage"

    Volunteer firefighter shoots hammer-wielding killer to halt rampage

    A volunteer firefighter then arrived on scene and drew his pistol, shooting Gilman twice in the leg. Although wounded, the suspect ran away on foot.
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    The guy with the hammer just wanted to get nailed.
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    Shot to wound? Interesting.

    "Alter ego" rule might well have allowed him to use his weapon in a deadly force manner...
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    Glad the right guy got dead.

    Sad that the old guy died at the hands of a homicidal maniac.
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    By not putting the BG down, the firefighter could have put others in danger. The BG managed to escape and could have attacked anyone else he came upon. Good thing is it turned out OK. No one else got hurt and the firefighter didn't have to live with the death of someone by his hand. Drugs must have been a factor in the BGs behavior.

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    I wonder if the BG was hammered before doing all of this.....
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    Reporter: Officer what was the name of the volunteer firefighter?

    Officer: Golly geeee, I plum fergot.........
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    A volunteer firefighter then arrived on scene and drew his pistol, shooting Gilman twice in the leg. Although wounded, the suspect ran away on foot.
    Yup, shoot them in the leg. That will stop them every time!
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    This article is weirdly written, as if it is missing details and an event time line.
    the woman saw Curry lying in the road, found out who he was and called his half-brother, Mingo County Commissioner Dave Baisden. (...) Gilman came back a short time later and parked the pickup over Curry's body. Gilman then got into a fight with Baisden, who shot his gun at the ground to scare Gilman off.
    So Baisden, the half brother, arrived on the scene and gets attacked by the hammer wielding murder and shoots at the GROUND? So was he scared off? Next, a fireman arrives on the scene and shoots the guy and the justification used is a variation of the the alter ego claim. Even as an alter ego, the threat would have had to be immediate. In other words, he couldn't have just been standing there holding the hammer at his side, staring into space; he would have had to be threatening somehow to justify the shoot, in which case the shooting would have been justified to stop a deadly threat.

    Also, note the part about "got in a fight". Was deadly force in play at the time of the fight? If so, why shoot at the ground? If not, the gun shouldn't have come into play (yet).

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    Well that sounds like it was a cluster. Why did they call the victim's brother instead of the police? "Gee, this guy just got run over. Wait, I know his brother. I'll call him instead of the police!"

    And then we have the "shoot to scare" guy, as well as the "shoot him in the leg!" guy. How many times can I use this in one post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey2011 View Post
    Well that sounds like it was a cluster. Why did they call the victim's brother instead of the police? "Gee, this guy just got run over. Wait, I know his brother. I'll call him instead of the police!"

    And then we have the "shoot to scare" guy, as well as the "shoot him in the leg!" guy. How many times can I use this in one post?
    Folks do crazy thing when under pressure. I was working the midnight shift a number of years back when a co-worker received a call from his wife telling him someone was trying to break down her front door. The plant where we worked was thirty miles from his house and no, she had not called the police yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spidey2011 View Post
    Well that sounds like it was a cluster. Why did they call the victim's brother instead of the police? "Gee, this guy just got run over. Wait, I know his brother. I'll call him instead of the police!"

    And then we have the "shoot to scare" guy, as well as the "shoot him in the leg!" guy. How many times can I use this in one post?
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    This is Mingo County West Virginia, a territory I know quite well.

    Nothing surprises me about what goes on there.
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