Oh, great: ND by CCW holder on campus, Colorado

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    Oh, great: ND by CCW holder on campus, Colorado

    It could be worse.
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    After winning a long battle to allow those with concealed-carry permits to bring guns onto campuses in Colorado, a gun-rights organization is now responding to what appears to be the first-ever accidental discharge on a local campus from someone with the proper permit. The staffer who fired a shot at the University of Colorado suffered injuries -- as did another individual in the room.

    The incident took place on Friday inside an Anschutz Medical Campus office, according to a university spokesman. Although no one was hospitalized, it's likely that heated debates around bringing guns on campus will resurface in response to the accident
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    According to CU spokesman Dan Meyers, a staff member of the School of Dental Medicine took a gun out in an office, after which it accidentally went off.

    "The person with the gun and one other person were very slightly injured," he says.

    It is not known yet if the other person was a student or an employee. The injuries were not serious enough to require either of those hurt to go to the hospital, but it's unclear at this time what kind of injuries were actually sustained.

    The police are investigating the matter, and the staffer who fired the shot is currently on administrative leave, Meyers adds.

    <cringe>
    Every time something like this happens, it gives the antis more fodder. I hate to hear stories like this.
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    Oh, great: ND by CCW holder on campus, Colorado

    It just shows that just because you can carry a gun doesn't mean you should. The person probably had no training other than the CCW class, which we all know is inadequate.

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    Re: Oh, great: ND by CCW holder on campus, Colorado

    There is a fifth rule that comes before the four rules - keep your darn gun in your holster.
    There is a solution but we are not Jedi... not yet.
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    According to CU spokesman Dan Meyers, a staff member of the School of Dental Medicine took a gun out in an office, after which it accidentally went off.
    - Yes, I'm sure it just went off accidentally. It had nothing to do with negligence.
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote." ~ Benjamin Franklin

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    Auraria Campus Police shot a man on campus wielding a sword last week, about a year ago a "girl" went into the bathroom on the same campus and had an apparent ND into the ceiling of the stall and fled... no recourse from the left there as stated, more fodder for the anti gunners.
    8,775 firearm murders (DOJ, 2011) compared to 13,846 alcohol related deaths from crashed (not including adverse health effects deaths) according to CDC 2008 stats. So they want to yank our guns because of some yahoo having an ND in an office, on campus versus the hundreds of idiots who endanger the general public driving drunk each night who get a "red" license or a blow-n'go breathalyzer instead of forcing them to take public transit blows my mind apparently priorities aren't a thing for Colorado Californians... not to mention the legalizing of Pot that's a whole other can of worms...I read a bulletin on campus which stated campus employees aren't allowed to carry regardless of CHP status.
    lastly, the Westwood is nothing but Pot/Stripper and escort adds, not much good comes from that publication... Haven't seen anything on local news channels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    Still, he says, it's just one person: "If some drunk driver gets behind the wheel, we don't use that as a justification to...take away licenses from everybody."
    Yup. It is no justification. It's merely an indication of that one person's culpability in that action. Same with ND's, crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsHB View Post
    <cringe>
    Every time something like this happens, it gives the antis more fodder. I hate to hear stories like this.
    I think we are overreacting to things such as this. The people that are anti weapons are just that. Think about it. Let's say for the sake of the discussion that no one with a permit to carry or a law abiding citizen that owns a weapon never had an "accidental" or negligent discharge, never killed anyone/or themselves, etc., do you really think those opposed to weapons wouldn't be.
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    Charge the idiot with the appropriate crime,there is a reason to keep a CCW holstered and not pull it out to show your friends/acquaintances at work,if the person was on the fence about how dangerous guns are and they were showing them how safe they are then they just FAILED miserably and now the individual is even more afraid of guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by MrsHB View Post
    <cringe>
    Every time something like this happens, it gives the antis more fodder. I hate to hear stories like this.
    I think we are overreacting to things such as this. The people that are anti weapons are just that. Think about it. Let's say for the sake of the discussion that no one with a permit to carry or a law abiding citizen that owns a weapon never had an "accidental" or negligent discharge, never killed anyone/or themselves, etc., do you really think those opposed to weapons wouldn't be.
    The point is, the tactic and tendency to run with single incidents and take them to their extreme conclusion isn't something we can ignore. Time and again, an instance comes along and it's leveraged as "proof" that the whole concept is flawed ... Zimmerman/Martin, for SYG; Holmes/"Joker" Aurora attack, for "assault" weaponry; even Chicago's, DC's and New York's individual murders when firearms are used, as evidence that if only firearms didn't exist then we'd have no crime. IMO, ignoring such tactics can get us straightjacketed as citizens.

    Seems to me that leveraging such situations as opportunities to rationally evaluate the larger picture is a far more effective approach. Hateful and shortsighted as the liberty haters' positions seem to be, failing to help such people see how standing up for what's right and just will only speed the demise of liberty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    ... ignoring such tactics can get us straightjacketed as citizens.
    Whaddaya mean "get," like in the future or somethin'? I thought they all ready had us with one arm behind our back.

    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Seems to me that leveraging such situations as opportunities to rationally evaluate the larger picture is a far more effective approach. Hateful and shortsighted as the liberty haters' positions seem to be, failing to help such people see how standing up for what's right and just will only speed the demise of liberty.
    Seems to me they are leveraging such situations as opportunities to "rationally evaluate their larger picture."

    And, I honestly don't see them as hateful people... shortsighted, and unable to see the real larger picture instead of a utopian vision of a perfect society, they are. (they can only see myopically or with binoculars... no middle ground.... i.e.

    Myopic= "Society is bad now because of guns."

    Binocular (telescopic)= "Society would be wonderful with all guns (actually, completely) banned."

    Their intentions are good... they want a more utopic society... and they think only they have the keys to that kingdom.
    Their is no such thing of course... at least not on this planet.
    It could be worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oakchas View Post
    Whaddaya mean "get," like in the future or somethin'? I thought they all ready had us with one arm behind our back.
    Exactly so.

    Seems to me they are leveraging such situations as opportunities to "rationally evaluate their larger picture."
    The point was, that the myopic/unsupported view fails to consider the downstream ramifications of such polities.

    And, I honestly don't see them as hateful people... shortsighted, and unable to see the real larger picture instead of a utopian vision of a perfect society, they are.
    Exactly so.

    Their intentions are good... they want a more utopic society... and they think only they have the keys to that kingdom.
    Their is no such thing of course... at least not on this planet.
    The big, big downside: willingness to erase liberty to squeeze out a few more hopeful results from encounters, at the expense of everyone's ability to effectively defend against such crime to a degree that utterly dwarfs any such "savings." Hence the "liberty haters" terminology. It is what it is, and it has nothing to do with hatefulness as people.
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    And the follow-up story with more detail about this incident. Oh, and the article mentions she is not longer a CU employee.

    Employee charged after accidental shooting at University of Colorado dental school injures 2 | 9news.com

    I was taught concealed means concealed. What the heck was she doing taking her gun out of concealment and showing it to fellow employees in the first place? Come to think of it, why'd she mention the weapon at all? Simultaneous head shake and eye roll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post
    - Yes, I'm sure it just went off accidentally. It had nothing to do with negligence.
    This was a total ND! According to the article: "A police report from the incident reveals that the ex-worker, Mary Beth Loeb, was showing her coworkers her handgun, and trying to unjam it, when she accidentally fired a bullet that ricocheted and hit another woman."

    First mistake: Don't show the gun to anyone at work or anywhere else.

    Second mistake: Don't try to "unjam" it. (What was she doing to "jam" it in the first place?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenGoodLuck View Post
    Second mistake: Don't try to "unjam" it. (What was she doing to "jam" it in the first place?)
    I have a different issue. I want to know how she even knew it was "jammed" in the first place! I've had these types of FTL's, FTF's, etc. where I had to drop the mag and rack the jammed cartridge out, but only when I was trying to fire the gun! What was she doing with a gun at work to need to screw around with it! A lot of stupidity and ignorance involved, but there's no IQ test for gun ownership and THAT's what has the anti's in a tizzy.

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