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    Mental illness maybe. Not normal behavior by any means.
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    Not having all the facts I can't form an opinion, But what I read here says this guy is going to do serious time in a prison or mental institution Bad desision all around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    What struck me (among other things) about the story is that she still came down the stairs after he had fired two rounds out of his Mini 14. That had to be loud!

    No, none of us gets to play judge, jury and executioner. I am I glad two worthless scum are removed from the gene pool? Yep.
    I wondered the same thing as well.

    Based on the report being factual, I'm inclined to believe some sort of mental illness was at play. Perhaps he just wanted to kill somebody and Thanksgiving turned out to be his "lucky day".
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    Sounds like someone needed to spend less time worried about the 2A and pay a little more attention to the 5A.
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    BAD - "Execution" of home invaders in MN

    I live in MN and from what I understand from the law, I'm not sure the first shot was justifiable. We are not a castle doctrine state but can protect our homes in the case of a felony being committed. Is breaking and entering alone a felony? I'm not sure I'd fire on someone after just seeing their hips as he states. What if it had been a family member who was intoxicated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevew View Post
    Mental illness maybe. Not normal behavior by any means.
    Ding ding. Although pleading that in court would be hard, but when I read it, I was thinking the same thing. That sounds like a person that just "snapped".

    I still stand by my comment on the last page though.
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    Was on FNC today with Megan Kelly.......... and the basic point is that the State Law, as written, may let him off because of the way it is written. Apparently, he (legally) was within his State Written Law rights to do what he did.

    No Duh. Check out the way the Castle Doctrine in that state is written.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Was on FNC today with Megan Kelly.......... and the basic point is that the State Law, as written, may let him off because of the way it is written. Apparently, he (legally) was within his State Written Law rights to do what he did.

    No Duh. Check out the way the Castle Doctrine in that state is written.
    Whatever the wording, it looks like use-of-force is still governed by the "reasonable man" standard in Minnesota.


    MN 609.065 JUSTIFIABLE TAKING OF LIFE.


    The intentional taking of the life of another is not authorized by section 609.06, except when necessary in resisting or preventing an offense which the actor reasonably believes exposes the actor or another to great bodily harm or death, or preventing the commission of a felony in the actor's place of abode.



    MN 609.06 AUTHORIZED USE OF FORCE.


    Subdivision 1.When authorized.

    Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 2, reasonable force may be used upon or toward the person of another without the other's consent when the following circumstances exist or the actor reasonably believes them to exist:

    (1) when used by a public officer or one assisting a public officer under the public officer's direction:

    (a) in effecting a lawful arrest; or

    (b) in the execution of legal process; or

    (c) in enforcing an order of the court; or

    (d) in executing any other duty imposed upon the public officer by law; or

    (2) when used by a person not a public officer in arresting another in the cases and in the manner provided by law and delivering the other to an officer competent to receive the other into custody; or

    (3) when used by any person in resisting or aiding another to resist an offense against the person; or

    (4) when used by any person in lawful possession of real or personal property, or by another assisting the person in lawful possession, in resisting a trespass upon or other unlawful interference with such property; or

    (5) when used by any person to prevent the escape, or to retake following the escape, of a person lawfully held on a charge or conviction of a crime; or

    (6) when used by a parent, guardian, teacher, or other lawful custodian of a child or pupil, in the exercise of lawful authority, to restrain or correct such child or pupil; or

    (7) when used by a school employee or school bus driver, in the exercise of lawful authority, to restrain a child or pupil, or to prevent bodily harm or death to another; or

    (8) when used by a common carrier in expelling a passenger who refuses to obey a lawful requirement for the conduct of passengers and reasonable care is exercised with regard to the passenger's personal safety; or

    (9) when used to restrain a person who is mentally ill or mentally defective from self-injury or injury to another or when used by one with authority to do so to compel compliance with reasonable requirements for the person's control, conduct, or treatment; or

    (10) when used by a public or private institution providing custody or treatment against one lawfully committed to it to compel compliance with reasonable requirements for the control, conduct, or treatment of the committed person.
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    I was not sayin that the dude is not 'dumb plumb crazy' nor was I defending his absolute outright insanity.............. (all his bells don't ring when struck..).

    I was just sayin that there are people out there arguing that he was (without a Judge or Jury ruling) within what is written in the law.

    This dude is whacked................................
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    The dude is crazy as a loon. Let's see what his Lie-yours come up with for a defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    The dude is crazy as a loon.
    Perhaps, but at the very least he's crafted an interesting way to attempt "self-defense." He was certainly sane enough to stop both of the intruders, and to ask the neighbor about attorneys. Whatever else might be true, it's safe to say his actions were overboard, and it's likely to be seen as such by a jury of his peers.
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    I don't know enough about either of the teens involved to know whether or not to feel sorry for them (I was young and stupid once. The difference is, I was never caught - statute of limitations has been up for a long time now. Granted, mine was a variation on shoplifting, not B&E), but I have no sympathy for the homeowner if the story turns out as reported.

    I don't have any problem with shooting a potential assailant multiple times, even after the threat is ended, because I could well see emptying a magazine without even realizing you had done so. It was walking up and cold-bloodedly putting a bullet in the brain pan from point blank range. That young lady was only a little older than my oldest daughter so there is certainly an emotional component.

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    Though it does not justify his (the homeowner's) actions... apparently these kids were involved in at least one other home burglary...

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    Everything I have read about self and home defense is "shoot to stop" not "shoot to kill"..

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