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    an article that will give you more info :




    LINK : Family's outrage after star students were found murdered in man's basement after he claims they robbed his home on Thanksgiving | Mail Online


    Friends and family have expressed their outrage over the deaths of two popular students shot by a homeowner while they robbed his home - as he revealed he fired 'more shots than he needed to'.

    The bodies of cousins Haile Kifer, 18, and Nicholas Brady Schaeffel, 17, were found in Byron Smith's basement in Little Falls, Minnesota on Friday - the day after they were shot dead on Thanksgiving.

    When police arrived at his home after reports of suspicious activity, Smith, 64, confessed to shooting the teenagers repeatedly and stashing their bodies after they broke into his home, authorities said. On Monday, he was charged with second-degree murder and police revealed he told them he fired more shots than necessary after his gun jammed and Kifer laughed at him.
    * Broken into 8 times over the last year
    * One shot to the girl.... under the chin into the cranium.
    * Hid the bodies in his basement.
    * Don't like the "they were good kids" lines, as they were breaking into someone's home to steal.... but, doesn't excuse him for executing them either.

    Inexcusable that the paper tries to make this about the "Castle Doctrine" , as this has NOTHING to do with the Castle Doctrine at all ...... shame they use this for a political agenda in the Minnesota News.
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    I'm not a lawyer, but I do live in MN (about 30 min south of where it happened) and I am familiar with the relevant laws (I can't quote them chapter and verse, but I've read them and I get the gist of it).


    He is screwed, finished, put a fork in him he is done.

    like everyone else has said, his right to defend his home went out the window when the threat was over. and the "finishing shot" may as well been his own. I have no problem with someone defending against home invaders; I have a problem with murder. lets not kid each other, it went from home defense to murder.
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    he was wrong and deserved to get locked up. The teens were wrong and deserved to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02R1 View Post
    he was wrong and deserved to get locked up. The teens were wrong and deserved to die.
    Deserved to die...really? I'm sorry but I'm not killing someone over personal property. Insurance can cover that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02R1 View Post
    he was wrong and deserved to get locked up. The teens were wrong and deserved to die.
    Hence the reason that there are 12 people on a jury and not just one.
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    An old story, but the trial is now underway.

    Minnesota Man Accused of Murdering Teens Who Entered His Home - Yahoo
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    From what I have read and heard about this case Smith is guilty of executing the two, certainly not a case of self-defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    From what I have read and heard about this case Smith is guilty of executing the two, certainly not a case of self-defense.
    Might well not have been. If they were legitimately felons attempting to unjustifiably harm him and he stopped them justifiably with the first shots, technically I suppose it could be argued the final shots didn't much matter and that the dragging/etc are mere circumstances and not proof. Trouble is, he did practically everything wrong, from the perspective of a jury who's going to hear such proofs and indicators. Stupid as those actions were, it might well be that he was fully justified in stopping them, but in the end mucked it up by blowing all the details after stopping them.

    Which is why he's got his trial. It'll be interesting to see how the attorneys spin this. Looks bad for him, agreed.


    Note to self: don't do an "executing" shot, once the threat has ceased; don't drag the bodies elsewhere; don't fail to contact the cavalry for assistance; don't lie about it all; don't hem and haw when asked about it; don't believe for a second that those things will keep the sky from falling on the head when folks find out about those little aspects. Yup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msgt/ret View Post
    With that comment then waiting until the next day he will need an extremely good lawyer.
    The victim broke the cardinal rule when dealing with LE. He talked to them. He should have kept his mouth shut. Past stopping the threat sounds like everything he did after that was wrong. He moved the bodies. He waited till the next day to notify police. I am not a rocket sturgeon but it sounds to me like he executed the suspects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Might well not have been. If they were legitimately felons attempting to unjustifiably harm him and he stopped them justifiably with the first shots, technically I suppose it could be argued the final shots didn't much matter and that the dragging/etc are mere circumstances and not proof. Trouble is, he did practically everything wrong, from the perspective of a jury who's going to hear such proofs and indicators. Stupid as those actions were, it might well be that he was fully justified in stopping them, but in the end mucked it up by blowing all the details after stopping them.

    Which is why he's got his trial. It'll be interesting to see how the attorneys spin this. Looks bad for him, agreed.


    Note to self: don't do an "executing" shot, once the threat has ceased; don't drag the bodies elsewhere; don't fail to contact the cavalry for assistance; don't lie about it all; don't hem and haw when asked about it; don't believe for a second that those things will keep the sky from falling on the head when folks find out about those little aspects. Yup.
    I agree this is going to be a very interesting trial to watch.
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    ^^^^^^Thanks for the updated link Mike!

    I stand by my original post.

    He will most likely do time.

    I wonder about maybe if he is/was not all there.
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    I'm surprised the propaganda media isn't making this guy the poster boy, and CNN doing 24/7 coverage.

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    Dont buy the good kids baloney. If they were they wouldnt have busted into someones home. When they did they knowingly took a chance they would wind up shot or dead.

    That said, the old guy is a whacko. Not because he shot them more than once. You shoot till the threat stops and not in the shoulder like some idiot said in the article. Threat is stopped either by 1 perps flee. Perps surrender, or perps are shot to a point of no longer offering a threat. Either unable or unwilling too or dead.

    The old dude was well in his rights right up to the point he finished off perps down and unable to offer a threat. After that if what is to be read is true he killed them because he wanted to kill them.

    In no fan of criminals which these kids clearly were. If they died of their wounds after he had stopped them they just did. And that would have laid on them.

    Walking up and administering " Good clean finishing shots" to be sure their dead is execution. JMO
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