Bad-NFL Player Kills Girlfriend and Himself-and a Call For Gun Control

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    So, for the people tailgating in that parking spot, is it considered to be poor manners to place the BBQ grill inside of the white chaulk outline?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noway2 View Post
    From the article:
    What a bunch of BS. If he didn't have a gun, he would have used any number of other, equally deadly instruments. What a bozo (referring to the author).
    So using the logic in the article, anyone who has been killed in a traffic accident would still be alive if they didn't own a car/truck...brilliant

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    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    I would argue that your rationalizations speak to how numb we are in this society to gun violence and murder. Weve come to accept our insanity. Wed prefer to avoid seriously reflecting upon the absurdity of the prevailing notion that the second amendment somehow enhances our liberty rather than threatens it.
    A lot of assumptions, there.

    And a lot of willingness to strip citizens of their effective ability to defend against violent crime, under the auspices of improvements to citizenship.

    Murderers will still exist so long as the conditions prompting them to believe violence is the answer continue, irrespective of the availability or lack of availability of man-made tools they can corrupt and abuse during their crimes. In this sense, none of this has anything to do with the 2A protections of the right of citizens to be armed.

    As for "gun violence": there hasn't yet been a violent gun. Never has, never will. Murderers, robbers, rapists and other violent criminals, OTOH ...
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    I'm sorry for all parties involved. He obviously mad mental problems.

    With that being said, it's easier to kill somebody with a gun than with a knife or with your fists. To all those who try to argue against that, don't be ridiculous. That is not the point of the 2A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    I'm sorry for all parties involved. He obviously mad mental problems.

    With that being said, it's easier to kill somebody with a gun than with a knife or with your fists. To all those who try to argue against that, don't be ridiculous.
    Sure. No arguing that. With intent to inflict violent crime upon others, "ease" isn't the point. Murderous/violent will is. And the 2A neither causes nor enables that will.
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    None knows at this point if the guy had mental problems or not. If could be your typical case of roid rage or dope rage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    None knows at this point if the guy had mental problems or not. If could be your typical case of roid rage or dope rage.
    Agreed...he was already angry and violent.Why? I guess we dont know but since he was like that before killing anyone, it seems like maybe those closest to him should have ignored his pro-ball player status and actually offered them some help.
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    Re: Bad-NFL Player Kills Girlfriend and Himself-and a Call For Gun Control

    Bob Costas' sign off he said "if he hadn't been in possession of a gun they'd both be alive today", I almost fell over!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sig 210 View Post
    None knows at this point if the guy had mental problems or not. If could be your typical case of roid rage or dope rage.
    He killed his girlfriend then killed himself. He had mental problems.

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    It coudl have happened in Canada..... where in that case he would have bludgeoned her , strangled her, to stabbed her to death. But, he probably still would have done it. it's not the method, it's the intent... that is at issue.

    Maybe not taking drugs, not having "party girls" for girl friends and getting them pregnant, some anger management, some lessons in how violence doesn't solve problems, and some better morals ..... might help a lot more in solving these types of issues.

    Momma gonna take custody of the baby, leave him, and give him a long ride on the child-support ticket..... and he lost it. It happens , unfortunately, daily and isn't on the front page and doesn't have a thing to do with playing in the NFL or guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Shot View Post
    I'm sorry for all parties involved. He obviously mad mental problems.

    With that being said, it's easier to kill somebody with a gun than with a knife or with your fists. To all those who try to argue against that, don't be ridiculous. That is not the point of the 2A.
    Sorry, but just have to point out, that's not a true statement...... someone can kill someone by hand or with a knife just as quick if not quicker. Knives and saw-off baseball bats seem to be the murder weapon of choice in Canada. Doesn't seem restricting gun ownership has accomplished and end to the violence there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder71 View Post
    Bob Costas' sign off he said "if he hadn't been in possession of a gun they'd both be alive today", I almost fell over!

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    That's right, the mentally ill shouldn't be in possession of a gun. And if Ted Kennedy wasn't in possession of a car...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapnketel View Post
    Whitlock: After Belcher tragic murder-suicide, why are Chiefs playing? - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN

    I agree they should not play the game. But of course a call for gun control.
    Why shouldn't they play? After all, despite him being dead, it's no different than him being injured for the game and somebody else filling his shoes on the field.

    Of course, it's a little more serious than that, but there's a back-up for him and as always, the show must go on..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagleks View Post
    Sorry, but just have to point out, that's not a true statement...... someone can kill someone by hand or with a knife just as quick if not quicker. Knives and saw-off baseball bats seem to be the murder weapon of choice in Canada. Doesn't seem restricting gun ownership has accomplished and end to the violence there.
    I disagree. I think Jason Whitlock's (whom Bob Costas was paraphrasing) point makes sense. I think it is very possible that these crimes would not have been committed if there wasn't a gun present.

    It's fairly clean pulling a trigger. Bashing someone's brains in with a bat is a little more personal. Regarding suicides, I don't think it's a stretch to say that if a suicidal person was locked in a room with a knife he would have less of a chance of killing himself than if he was locked in a room with a gun. Off the top of my head, I know the vast majority of military suicides are by gunshot. Why is that?

    I've looked at the two threads on this topic, and I already know people are chiming in about "if the intent was there...etc." Maybe you're right, but many posters on this forum on essentially single issue voters, and they are already set in their ways.

    Also, there are more murders per-capita in the U.S., so I don't know what your point is.

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