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Bad: Pennsylvania man shot ex-wife during church

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    Bad: Pennsylvania man shot ex-wife during church

    Police: Pennsylvania man shot ex-wife during church service | Fox News

    An elementary school music teacher walked into a church in the middle of Sunday services and shot and killed his ex-wife as she sat in a pew, police said.
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    Churches are not exempt from violence and that is why I carry at church.
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    My congratulations to the congregation members that apprehended the shooter.
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    Reading news article concerning this shooting it states that witnesses observed Ex-Husband pacing back and forth outside of church before he entered church and shot Ex-Wife. That would of been the Red Flag that alerted me.

    I do not carry at Church where I attend but I am ALWAYS on guard to protect our Pastor. My Uncles' Church where he is head of Ushers' is one of the Body Guards that Protects their Pastor which has been threatened on occasion.

    Just because one is in a House of Worship doesn't mean that they are exempt from a potential threat like the one that took place in Pennsylvania. Gun laws need to be revamped in order that Law Abiding Citizens can carry at Church.

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    Evil does not fear the church building. Look to the Middle East for confirmation. Carry in church, as we slide further down this slippery slope, churches will increasingly become juicy targets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frado View Post
    Reading news article concerning this shooting it states that witnesses observed Ex-Husband pacing back and forth outside of church before he entered church and shot Ex-Wife. That would of been the Red Flag that alerted me.

    I do not carry at Church where I attend but I am ALWAYS on guard to protect our Pastor. My Uncles' Church where he is head of Ushers' is one of the Body Guards that Protects their Pastor which has been threatened on occasion.

    Just because one is in a House of Worship doesn't mean that they are exempt from a potential threat like the one that took place in Pennsylvania. Gun laws need to be revamped in order that Law Abiding Citizens can carry at Church.

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    Who'd threaten a pastor?
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    Places where guns are banned continue to be hunting grounds for cowards who know they will face no armed resistance. Very sad story. It could have been much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckQue View Post
    Who'd threaten a pastor?
    We had someone locally last year shoot a pastor and an associate pastor. Sheriff Grady Judd calls parishioners "heroes" for restraining suspect until deputies arrived | wtsp.com Crazy don't stop at the church steps...

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    Said they were divorced for several years.
    Wonder if he saw her on a date, or getting serious and just couldn't take it.
    What the H.E. Double Hockey Sticks is the matter with people?
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    It doesn't seem like this guy was interested in anyone else but his ex, but when the shooting starts one never knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lish View Post
    We had someone locally last year shoot a pastor and an associate pastor.
    I believe you! I guess it was more of a 'why would someone shoot a pastor'? Were they shot because they were pastors, or for another reason?
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    In this case in PA I did read he threatened the pastor and a couple parishioners who tried to deny him access when he came back ithe church to shoot her again.

    In the case here in FL, the guy shot his wife (ex wife?) at home then drove to the church and shot the pastor specifically - I don't remember the motive... If memory serves that was the church they were married in, but I could be remembering wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    An elementary school music teacher walked into a church in the middle of Sunday services and shot and killed his ex-wife as she sat in a pew, police said.
    Yup. If a target goes into building X or Y, it doesn't much matter to a murderer who's less concerned with getting out of it alive than achieving his goal of taking out the target. Church, street corner, back yard, or the highway, crowded aisle or rush-hour, or lone jogger in a park ... doesn't much matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by From the article
    Potter County Commissioner Susan Kefover told the newspaper the shooting was "devastatingly tragic for the community."
    Beyond loss of the friend, they only lost their illusions of safety.
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