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Teenager Shoots Woman Over a Cigarette

This is a discussion on Teenager Shoots Woman Over a Cigarette within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by RAL On another thread someone did not think anyone had been killed over a candy bar, and though I don't have any ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAL View Post
    On another thread someone did not think anyone had been killed over a candy bar, and though I don't have any statistics, I bet it has happened. I don't smoke and have never purchased a cigarette, so I have no idea what one costs, but the price of one cigarette is, in this instance, the worth of a human life. Sad!
    A rapper named Slim Dunkin was killed recently over exactly that... a candy bar.

    Slim Dunkin Reportedly Murdered After Fight Over Candy - Music, Celebrity, Artist News | MTV.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldVet View Post
    Maybe things would have ended differently had she politely said no and let it go at that.
    Maybe. But as we all know, so many criminals are on edge and will infer whatever they'll infer from practically anything ... a look, a non-look, a comment that's a bit less than cordial, a "snippy" remark, a flat refusal, or practically anything that makes the criminal look bad/weak/ineffectual/dissed in the eyes of his homeys.
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    That's the stories the liberals run with to justify taking 2nd amendement rights away.......
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    I agree that she escalated the encounter and would have been much better to have said something neutral.
    CCW is right, the worst thing you can do is make one of these creeps look bad in front of their friends, or make them angry. Impulse control isn't something they are noted for. In their world life is very cheap.
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    These kids were not homeless, they were punks to young to smoke looking for trouble. I see nothing wrong with telling someone to get a job. My favorite expression when one of these slime balls/gang bangers ask for something is "f---off". Has this ever caused me a problem? No. You interact at their level, in the gutter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    These kids were not homeless, they were punks to young to smoke looking for trouble. I see nothing wrong with telling someone to get a job. My favorite expression when one of these slime balls/gang bangers ask for something is "f---off". Has this ever caused me a problem? No. You interact at their level, in the gutter.
    I really understand wanting to say that, but look where it got her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeanlouise View Post
    I really understand wanting to say that, but look where it got her.
    I can get away with saying that, I am old and most of the gang bangers know that most old guys will not hesitate to shoot you. I volunteer with a charity group that ventures into some pretty bad areas to provide assistance to the needy. Some of these folks prove Darwin's theory of evolution to be right. Some have not completely evolved yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckusaret View Post
    These kids were not homeless, they were punks to young to smoke looking for trouble. I see nothing wrong with telling someone to get a job. My favorite expression when one of these slime balls/gang bangers ask for something is "f---off". Has this ever caused me a problem? No. You interact at their level, in the gutter.
    And that exact same attitude may have not caused her a problem--until now. I try to stay above the gutter myself. I see no need to give them an "excuse."
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    Here is an updated article on The Blaze with a video with a news report and an interview with the victim's fiancé.

    Young Penn. Mother Tells Teens to ‘Get a Job’ When They Ask for a Cigarette — And They Kill Her | Video | TheBlaze.com

    Seems like the kids followed the guy from the convenience story all the way to his home and the shooting happened when the girlfriend came out of the house to see what was going on because the kids were harassing her fiancé.
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    I think the shooter just wanted a excuse to kill someone that day and she was the unlucky one.
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    Agreed. Not getting the free cigarettes he wanted & being told to "get a job" isn't what pulled that trigger. Nor was the victim "in the gutter" or tauntingly confrontational when she was shot. It was a simple refusal to an unwarranted, unreasonable & unsolicited attempt for the perp to impose his wishes upon an unwilling stranger. All of this "her attitude" chatter is (IMHO) horse crap. It's like saying a rape is justified because, upon being propositioned, the young woman says "not in a million years"! Yeah, if she had politely refused the rapist's advances, all would be...fine?
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    Saw two of their FaceBook pages. Little wannabe thugs... Hope they never see the sun shining again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldshellback View Post
    13 and 14 year olds bumming smokes, and then killing someone who 'dissed' them when they told them 'no'. All I got is treat 'em like adults for this.
    If they deserve to go to prison for life, they deserve the right to buy a pack of smokes.

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    Those thug-larvi were following Mr. Bailey home from the store, not asking politly, not bugging, but harassing him. IMO They might have wanted his smokes, but they were gunning for a confrontation... an excuse to shoot.
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    I just disagree with the premise of sentencing a 13 year old to life with out parole, and I don't understand why they should be treated like adults in this particular instance...when they are not adults.

    They are scumbags, no doubt.
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