BREAKING: Shooting Connecticut Elementary School in Newtown

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    Anyone who thinks that this event and recent similar ones won't result in some added gun restrictions is whistling past the graveyard. Rather than denial, I think the most constructive things we could be doing is trying to find an approach we can advocate that may help mitigate future mass shootings, but would not unduly penalize gun owners. I think that something is an outright ban on possession of high cap magazines. To me they serve no useful purpose in civilian hands and prohibiting them would not unduly infringe on the Second Amendment. i realize I may be the only person on the forum who feels this way, but so be it.
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    One of many reasons that we home school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Anyone who thinks that this event and recent similar ones won't result in some added gun restrictions is whistling past the graveyard. Rather than denial, I think the most constructive things we could be doing is trying to find an approach we can advocate that may help mitigate future mass shootings, but would not unduly penalize gun owners. I think that something is an outright ban on possession of high cap magazines. To me they serve no useful purpose in civilian hands and prohibiting them would not unduly infringe on the Second Amendment. i realize I may be the only person on the forum who feels this way, but so be it.
    I would have been thrilled if a teacher had a 30 round magazine in a handgun and unloaded all of the rounds into the shooter at this school before he had a chance to shoot any of those kids. How's that for a civilian purpose for a 30 round mag?

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    BREAKING: Shooting Connecticut Elementary School in Newtown

    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Anyone who thinks that this event and recent similar ones won't result in some added gun restrictions is whistling past the graveyard. Rather than denial, I think the most constructive things we could be doing is trying to find an approach we can advocate that may help mitigate future mass shootings, but would not unduly penalize gun owners. I think that something is an outright ban on possession of high cap magazines. To me they serve no useful purpose in civilian hands and prohibiting them would not unduly infringe on the Second Amendment. i realize I may be the only person on the forum who feels this way, but so be it.
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    I expect Obama to try to push an AWB, and have it fail in congress. Then he will blame the Republicans for partisan gridlock and say we can't wait for them to get their act together, we must act now. He will issue an executive order for some sort of new restrictions, and we will see how far we have strayed from the constitution. Will his illegal power grab go unchecked, or will our "representatives" finaly stand up and say enough? Or will the SCOTUS finaly slap him down and remind him about separation of power?

    While it may seem like these things are happening all the time, if you consider the size of our population, and the deteriorating state of the societies mental health, these incidents really are pretty rare. They just get massive media coverage when they do happen, which then draws more crazies to follow their lead to gain notoriety.

    When the anti's argue that armed citizens will never actually stop a psycho, we should look to Isreal and their population and schools.
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    It does sound like terrorism, and I've wondered for sometime why they haven't attacked more of our "soft targets" like schools, theaters, and shopping malls. They're (Radical Islamists) streaming across our southern border in largely unreported numbers, and they aren't coming to America to pick oranges. We must secure our borders, and our soft targets before more of this happens. God bless the little children and all the innocents caught up in this senseless violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Anyone who thinks that this event and recent similar ones won't result in some added gun restrictions is whistling past the graveyard. Rather than denial, I think the most constructive things we could be doing is trying to find an approach we can advocate that may help mitigate future mass shootings, but would not unduly penalize gun owners. I think that something is an outright ban on possession of high cap magazines. To me they serve no useful purpose in civilian hands and prohibiting them would not unduly infringe on the Second Amendment. i realize I may be the only person on the forum who feels this way, but so be it.
    Why do people always try to distinguish between a purpose in civilian or military hands? The 2A was intended such that we the people would BE the military if the time came. That is it's purpose, for us to have the means to protect ourselves and our country from whatever threats arise. If it has a purpose for the military, then it has equal purpose in (for now) civilian hands. Those civilians may some day be the freedom fighters and militia. THAT is the 2A!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStick View Post
    Why do people always try to distinguish between a purpose in civilian or military hands? The 2A was intended such that we the people would BE the military if the time came. That is it's purpose, for us to have the means to protect ourselves and our country from whatever threats arise. If it has a purpose for the military, then it has equal purpose in (for now) civilian hands. Those civilians may some day be the freedom fighters and militia. THAT is the 2A!
    They have to generate fiction to be able to convince others that their point is valid. We know that they don't use logic. If they did, we wouldn't have the problem of them thinking that disarming law abiding citizens will fix anything. I fear we'll end up having to be going through what Great Britain is going through where crime spikes after guns are banned and people are killed in burglaries or, if they manage to defend themselves, they are prosecuted for using force. Now the British government is finally starting to see that is not good, so they are taking some steps to restore it so that people can defend themselves from criminals who break in to their homes. It isn't the complete right thing to do but a step. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't learn from history.
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    This is incredibly sad. I can't imagine what those families are going through right now. There is no way to make sense of something like this.
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    My prayers go out to those that have lost loved ones. I hope that they do not have a rash response like more extreme gun control.

    I think that we should respond on the offensive by allowing firearms in those areas that are now hazard free for senseless killers like Mr Lanza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Rather than denial, I think the most constructive things we could be doing is trying to find an approach we can advocate that may help mitigate future mass shootings, but would not unduly penalize gun owners. I think that something is an outright ban on possession of high cap magazines. To me they serve no useful purpose in civilian hands ...
    Capacity limitations haven't stopped multi-murderers from achieving their ends. At best, it has only lowered the body count somewhat. There are plenty of murders of two or more in which the gun used didn't have a 30rd detachable mag (for example). They do indeed serve a useful purpose, albeit infrequently used in defensive situations.

    Far better, IMO, to start with having a perimeter, hardening that perimeter, starting with having decent doors and LOCKING them. Far too many schools have doors essentially "swinging in the breeze," allowing just anyone to walk right in. And there are essentially no "safe" areas in schools, eliminating any effective retreat option for those caught inside. And there are no armed folk inside most schools, despite the administration/faculty having the responsibility over the lives of the children all day long. The Beslan attack hasn't taught many in the USA the simple reality, here. Attacking mere tools won't cure any of what makes such places "fishbowls" for anyone with the desire to lash out.
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    Some "expert" on CNN talking about how to determine early warning signs of lunatics like this just rattled off "being at a shooting range" along with all sorts of other alarming behaviors as one of the signs. Oy vey. Some people are just programmed, apparently. Its too bad they have a public platform. crazy, is crazy, can we stop ignoring these folks now and try to get them some help?
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    Re: BREAKING: Shooting Connecticut Elementary School in Newtown

    Please, for five minutes, let both sides quit standing in the blood of the victims... And quit proselytizing over how we should stop this madness, whether it be with more regulation or less....

    And just think about, pray for (if you're so inclined), the victims.

    We can engage our battle later...

    Let us be the better people here, and have respect and reverence for the victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keboostman View Post
    Anyone who thinks that this event and recent similar ones won't result in some added gun restrictions is whistling past the graveyard. Rather than denial, I think the most constructive things we could be doing is trying to find an approach we can advocate that may help mitigate future mass shootings, but would not unduly penalize gun owners. I think that something is an outright ban on possession of high cap magazines. To me they serve no useful purpose in civilian hands and prohibiting them would not unduly infringe on the Second Amendment. i realize I may be the only person on the forum who feels this way, but so be it.
    Every teacher in that school, who can qualify, should have been armed!
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