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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I'm on this board because I'm pro 2A but in what universe do you folks see an elementary school being taught by a group of "Dirty Harry" teachers packing heat? I can't imagine any of my (then) middle aged women teachers, who constituted the majority of my teachers when I was in school, shooting at an intruder who is armed.
    What do you mean by "a group of Dirty Harry teachers packing heat?

    Are you implying that a teacher who is an excellent teacher would somehow become a terrible teacher because they are a law abiding citizen legally carrying a concealed firearm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WebleyHunter View Post
    My son is in first grade, so I have a stake in this argument. The "facilities guy" as his school (~300 students) is a physically able-bodied male in his mid 20's. He already supervises morning drop-off, afternoon pick-up, plus any special events. He already carries a radio linking him to the main office, so why not have him carry a reasonably compact sidearm as well- just in case?
    Why not allow Parents who can pass a background check, qualify, and meet the State requirements of CCW, CFL or whatever......... let them carry when they are dropping off and picking up?

    This School Zone thing 'no guns' nationally - if you already don't know, is just an Anti-Gun Brady policy that ensures that most of the urban US makes law abiding citizens break the law...... just by living within 1,000 yards (or is it more in other places) of any school, or some lady's day care run out of her house.

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    I pray for all those affected do not forget the lives of the police and first responders..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob99VMI04 View Post
    I pray for all those affected do not forget the lives of the police and first responders..
    Amen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    That makes perfectly good sense. I'm just saying that some of the ideas being tossed around of arming every elementary school teacher with a sidearm is a little bit unrealistic & a tad bit silly. We all went to school, we all primarily had the same type of teachers, how many of you can actually imagine a situation where a majority of your teachers from back then would be able to take on an armed intruder?
    I don't think anyone has said to arm "every" teacher. Those that want to be armed should be allowed. I wouldn't mind if a few where required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I'm just saying that some of the ideas being tossed around of arming every elementary school teacher with a sidearm is a little bit unrealistic & a tad bit silly. We all went to school, we all primarily had the same type of teachers, how many of you can actually imagine a situation where a majority of your teachers from back then would be able to take on an armed intruder?
    Handing a gun to someone no more makes that person able to effectively resist, anymore than having a book on the shelf means someone is educated or literate.

    Of course, any job requirement that includes effectively arming faculty and administrators would have to entail effective training that encompasses the range of issues, tactics, physicality involved. The point is, practically ANYTHING is better than the blindly disarmed cadre we field these days, blindly assuming "it won't happen here" merely because we wish it so. But obviously, it won't really be effective until it's planned and gone after appropriately. Until then, such spots will continue to be the fishbowls that they are.

    The reality is little different than arming ourselves as we go about the rest of our lives, as citizens. Can't call the cavalry unless you can survive long enough to have the opportunity. Pixie dust ain't a plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1MoreGoodGuy View Post
    What do you mean by "a group of Dirty Harry teachers packing heat?

    Are you implying that a teacher who is an excellent teacher would somehow become a terrible teacher because they are a law abiding citizen legally carrying a concealed firearm?
    I haven't a clue how you came to that conclusion about my statement unless you are unfamiliar with the Dirty Harry movies. I think what I stated was extremely clear. A middle aged woman with thick glasses and an unassuming demeanor is not likely to be an exceptional tactical advantage in a fire fight inside of a school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I haven't a clue how you came to that conclusion about my statement unless you are unfamiliar with the Dirty Harry movies. I think what I stated was extremely clear. A middle aged woman with thick glasses and an unassuming demeanor is not likely to be an exceptional tactical advantage in a fire fight inside of a school.
    Wow. Really? Everyone to you is cast from one mold...........??
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANGLICO View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I haven't a clue how you came to that conclusion about my statement unless you are unfamiliar with the Dirty Harry movies. I think what I stated was extremely clear. A middle aged woman with thick glasses and an unassuming demeanor is not likely to be an exceptional tactical advantage in a fire fight inside of a school.
    Wow. Really? Everyone to you is cast from one mold...........??
    No. But merely having the "teacherly" exterior (whatever that ends up being) ain't gonna cut it in an active-shooter type situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I'm on this board because I'm pro 2A but in what universe do you folks see an elementary school being taught by a group of "Dirty Harry" teachers packing heat? I can't imagine any of my (then) middle aged women teachers, who constituted the majority of my teachers when I was in school, shooting at an intruder who is armed.
    Look at Israeli schools. This teacher look like dirty harry?



    If ever I heard a stupid stereotype, it was that people who carry guns can't teach kids. Back when you were a kid the threat of 20 of your classmates getting gunned down was probably also very hard to imagine, but times have changed. I'd like to think that if one of your "middle age teachers" had a sidearm she may have prevented needless death. Not to mention that going into a school to shoot people might happen less if one in every 30 people there were armed.

    I'm seriously thinking about pulling my 5 year old and 10 year old from school and home schooling them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    I haven't a clue how you came to that conclusion about my statement unless you are unfamiliar with the Dirty Harry movies. I think what I stated was extremely clear. A middle aged woman with thick glasses and an unassuming demeanor is not likely to be an exceptional tactical advantage in a fire fight inside of a school.
    Now that is a judgement call that you are not qualified to make. You are making a lot of assumptions and generalities with no information. I garauntee there are plenty of middle aged women with glasses that could outshoot many of us on this forum. And don't let a demeanor fool you into thinking that they could not take action to protect their children. Many of those teachers believe that the kids in their class are their own children, and you don't want to be between a mama and her cubs!

    You are probably right that most of them would not be willing or able to do what we want, but it doesn't have to be all of them. Just enough to make a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStick View Post
    Now that is a judgement call that you are not qualified to make. You are making a lot of assumptions and generalities with no information. I garauntee there are plenty of middle aged women with glasses that could outshoot many of us on this forum. And don't let a demeanor fool you into thinking that they could not take action to protect their children. Many of those teachers believe that the kids in their class are their own children, and you don't want to be between a mama and her cubs!

    You are probably right that most of them would not be willing or able to do what we want, but it doesn't have to be all of them. Just enough to make a difference.
    Like I said in an earlier post, I'm making this judgment call based on the teachers I had throughout my school years. They had a hard enough time dealing with us, toss in an active shooter and they would freeze up and I'd make that bet all day long.

    I'm not saying that SOME couldn't be effective in neutralizing a threat and if they are qualified and are known to be stable around kids while carrying then great. I'm saying that 95% of the teachers I had would freeze up and be helpless. I can only envision the 48 hour firearms course that would be mandated for teachers so that they may be "prepared" for such an eventuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ogien View Post
    ... but in what universe do you folks see an elementary school being taught by a group of "Dirty Harry" teachers packing heat?
    Far too many have the worldview that being armed and capable of resisting violence equates to being a "Dirty Harry" sort. IMO, about the only thing that can really be said is that equates to having a fighting chance of survival. All the rest is codswallop designed to inflame the situation and prey on PC attitudes and fears.

    Being armed is about one thing: being capable of protecting ourselves and our loved ones long enough to call the cavalry ... or not.
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    I just heard on tv that the guns belonged to the Mother and they were purchased legally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownsbacker View Post
    I just heard on tv that the guns belonged to the Mother and they were purchased legally.
    Yep, purchased legally and then stolen by the perp from his mother and he killed her too. Extremely sad the whole thing.
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