China's gun control at it's best. prevents a killing spree in school... NOT

China's gun control at it's best. prevents a killing spree in school... NOT

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    China's gun control at it's best. prevents a killing spree in school... NOT

    This incident should be used as an unfortunate example to show just because guns are outlawed, the criminals will stop their killing spree.

    22 children stabbed in China - Lead Stories - Jamaica Gleaner - Saturday | December 15, 2012

    22 Children Stabbed In China
    Published: Saturday | December 15, 2012 0 Comments
    BEIJING (AP):A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes yesterday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

    The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

    The attacker, 36-year-old villager Min Yingjun, is now in police custody, said the officer who declined to give her name, as is customary among Chinese civil servants.

    A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man first attacked an elderly woman, then students before being subdued by security guards who have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks in recent years. He said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted, although two badly injured children had been transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.


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    Well, after we ban all guns in the US, we can follow the UK and ban all knives, then chain saws, then hammers, then ice picks, then sticks and stones ............ well you get my point.

    Strange that this happened when it did........ timing.

    It is also very interesting that attacks at schools are up in China, and they have to post people to protect from it.
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    This is what happens when we let Liberalism infest our lives. This is what happens when we let the Liberal Establishment bully law abiding citizens around with their anti-gun laws. They want peace by disarming law abiding
    citizens and instead we are greeted with HELL in the form of Mentally Deranged Psychopaths that walk into schools and kill innocent little children.

    We need to start arming School Personnel which in my opinion would detour these cowards that prey on innocent little children.
    Unfortunately, we live in a World where Morals have been trampled on and Evil is promoted as something good.

    Just like Israel arms their teachers/bus drivers we need to do the same. Why are we going to let a minority of individuals dictate to the majority of law abiding citizens that we are not capable of defending ourselves.

    If guns are the culprit and not the individuals that act out these crimes than we should demand that everyone is disarmed. Yes, thats correct, everyone. Including our politicians, high ranking executives, sports stars and the list goes on. Oh, thats right we can't disarm them because their lives are more valuable than ours, REALLY?

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    Gun control seems to keep murder-rates very low in Britain, France, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, etc...

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    Knives, cleavers, box cutters - quite a list over just the past two years in China - School attacks in China (2010

    To me, this is even scarier (Beslan, Russia) - Beslan school hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Evil and/or crazy people are unfortunately going to do things that are horrendous and beyond comprehension by normal people. Children don't fight back. It's good that schools are doing more with security, but obviously (after yesterday) that isn't enough. Personally, I would be willing to pay an extra $50-$100/year in taxes to make sure there was an armed police officer in every school. I would bet that would be enough deterrence for most bad guys.

    In the "Bulletproof Mind" videos from Lt. Col Dave Grossman (ret.), he states that every classroom should have a security door and peep sight that is automatically locked. He states that the fire hazard risk is minimal, yet something like this would provide greater protection against a threat that was able to enter the school. Seems more than reasonable, especially after yesterday. It sounds like the police responded quickly yesterday, and something like this could have drastically changed the outcome.

    Somehow we need to get a grasp on violence (I personally don't believe that this has to be the "new normal"). I believe this will happen by hardening vulnerable areas, protecting things needing protection (such as schools), addressing mental illness, and taking full advantage of existing laws / punishment. Look at the bottom of this DOJ Criminal Resources Manual - Criminal Resource Manual 112 Firearms charges (relevant text below). Instead of attacking legal gun owners and their rights, focus on making it so terrible to be caught using a gun in a crime that bad guys really start to think twice.

    "Firearms violations should be aggressively used in prosecuting violent crime. They are generally simple and quick to prove. The mandatory and enhanced punishments for many firearms violations can be used as leverage to gain plea bargaining and cooperation from offenders."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    Gun control seems to keep murder-rates very low in Britain, France, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, etc...
    If that was so, how do you explain Switzerland? They virtually mandate gun ownership (including fully automatic weapons), yet their murder rate is almost half that of the UK.

    And gun control in South Africa is extremely strict, yet they have one of the highest murder rates in the world.

    You're making a sophomoric, illogical conclusion, assuming that a "low" murder rate is directly attributable to gun control.
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    OK, not to sound lke a sound bite from the Brady bunch but the man only managed to injure 22 kids, not kill them. Like it or not the fact is a gun is a more efficient killer than a knife. And I challenge anyone here to say that the outcome in COnn would have been less f atalities if the dude had a knife.

    If anything, the two situations onlyy give possible ammo and talking points to the anti's.

    I am sick of folks trying to defend OUR Constituition by citiing examples from other countries. If the American people want a change they can change the COnstitution, The only arguements I ever use for the right to bear arms is in the friggin document that says it is a right that should not be infringed: The COnstitution.

    The more we or anyone trys to use another country and or tragedy as an example is just opening more doors for arguement.

    A simple man am I. I don't need to cite any complicated court decisions or try to say that if guns were illegal there would still be crime because those are simply not debatable points in why we have the right to bear arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    Gun control seems to keep murder-rates very low in Britain, France, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, etc...
    Where is the "dislike" button?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmitty View Post
    If that was so, how do you explain Switzerland? They virtually mandate gun ownership (including fully automatic weapons), yet their murder rate is almost half that of the UK.

    And gun control in South Africa is extremely strict, yet they have one of the highest murder rates in the world.

    You're making a sophomoric, illogical conclusion, assuming that a "low" murder rate is directly attributable to gun control.
    Switzerland mandates the ownership of rifles to reserve military personnel.

    not handguns.

    if corrolation is not causation when it comes to gun-laws, then why do folks also argue the opposite, that more guns=safer society?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    Switzerland mandates the ownership of rifles to reserve military personnel.

    not handguns.

    if corrolation is not causation when it comes to gun-laws, then why do folks also argue the opposite, that more guns=safer society?
    And "reserve military personnel" is pretty much the entire male population of Switzerland. Up to a certain age, current-issue battle rifles are kept at home; beyond that age, those are turned in for previous-generation weapons - still government issued. The point is that firearms are prevalent in Switzerland.

    I'm not arguing correlation and causation - you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    Gun control seems to keep murder-rates very low in Britain, France, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, etc...
    NOT!

    Here is what happens with real gun control...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8RDW...endscreen&NR=1

    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...anned-n1464528
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pythius View Post
    Gun control seems to keep murder-rates very low in Britain, France, Germany, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Belgium, etc...
    Britain also puts you in prison for defending yourself. Hooligans break into your home with a crowbar and threaten harm, if you strike one of them with a baseball bat in an attempt to defend yourself, you will be charged with serious aggravated battery and given about 3 years hard prison time. And this is inside your own home.

    Please, save your stats from foreign countries for the mindless chumps who buy into that crap. It doesn't fly here. Or move to Britain, France, Germany, etc. Obviously they are more suited to your liking.
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    How come this incident is not all over the worldwide news like the shooting here???? (No I don't mean it was not reported, I mean the huge coverage not just a blurp)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crowman View Post
    How come this incident is not all over the worldwide news like the shooting here???? (No I don't mean it was not reported, I mean the huge coverage not just a blurp)
    The shooting here killed 20 kids HERE. I'm sure in China this is a bigger story than Newtown.
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    If not guns............

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    Look at the picture very closely. Look. The Child Care facilities were on the Second Floor. Tell me Timmy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were not evil incarnate.



    It is not about guns. It is about the evil, the insane, gun-free zones, control by zealots like Bloomberg..........

    Allow Concealed guns in schools and watch the attacks decrease.


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